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The Hobbit Hole XXIV - Sand and Stone and Pool and Dell...
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Posted on 08/24/2005 9:50:25 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The Hobbit Hole!

Sand and Stone and Pool and Dell...

New verse:

Upon the hearth the fire is red,
Beneath the roof there is a bed;
But not yet weary are our feet,
Still round the corner we may meet
A sudden tree or standing stone
That none have seen but we alone.
Tree and flower and leaf and grass,
Let them pass! Let them pass!
Hill and water under sky,
Pass them by! Pass them by!

Still round the corner there may wait
A new road or a secret gate,
And though we pass them by today,
Tomorrow we may come this way
And take the hidden paths that run
Towards the Moon or to the Sun.
Apple, thorn, and nut and sloe,
Let them go! Let them go!
Sand and stone and pool and dell,
Fare you well! Fare you well!

Home is behind, the world ahead,
And there are many paths to tread
Through shadows to the edge of night,
Until the stars are all alight.
Then world behind and home ahead,
We’ll wander back to home and bed.
Mist and twilight, cloud and shade,
Away shall fade! Away shall fade!
Fire and lamp, and meat and bread,
And then to bed! And then to bed!

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To: 2Jedismom; Corin Stormhands; Ramius; SuziQ; g'nad; Overtaxed; Bear_in_RoseBear; Rose in RoseBear; ..
Hello all, Hair and ecurbh here with an ethical dilemma we've put off far too long.

As a wedding gift from ecurbh's family, we were given a gift certificate and promise for paid lodging for this: FamilyLife Conferences: Weekend to Remember (R).

Click up and read through it, and tell me if you can picture either me or ecurbh in one of these sessions: Conference Schedule.

Honestly, I dread it. I know that many of you are this churchy, but we just simply aren't. It sounds dreadful to me, and I think to ecurbh too. There is an element of guilt about feeling that way, it's not because we don't want to spend the time together bettering our relationship, it's that we'd be so much better almost anywhere else.

They paid the registration already. They will pay lodging if we go. We just feel it is such a waste. It is so much work for us to arrange animal care for a weekend we can't see wasting our one trip we'll muster in a year this way. If they were to pay for a weekend trip for us, we'd rather accept a trip down there to see them again than this. Or a weekend riding at some great horse hotel with trails.

For us, and our lives and who we are, it's a really back-handed present. ecurbh said "Why couldn't they have gotten us a normal present, like a power tool or a kitchen appliance, instead of some elaborate ruse to bring us back into the fold?"

They would probably refund the money to his parents.... but this is a mine field in terms of our relationship to his parents. ecurbh will ~never~ outright tell them we don't want to go. I know this. When they've asked, we've just said the dates and locations have not been really workable yet. But we are at deadline now... we have to register by Aug 31.

What are our ethical duties here? Must we go? And try to get the most out of what they intended to give us? Or can we decide that it would cause us headache and hassle, and extreme stress that we'll be put on the spot in discussions like they hold. Can we just say "NO"? Would any of you folk like to go, and just pretend to be us?

So there's that.

401 posted on 08/26/2005 10:37:10 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: 2Jedismom; Corin Stormhands
Help me out, Corin. I remember spending about $300-$400 per. That's East coast dollars - might be less in the heartland.

Then you have to do socks, shoes, belt, shirts and ties. But it's easier to find bargains for those.

402 posted on 08/26/2005 10:37:44 AM PDT by Lil'freeper
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To: 2Jedismom

Ok, belay that last. The MW website has 'em down around $250.


403 posted on 08/26/2005 10:39:05 AM PDT by Lil'freeper
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To: Lil'freeper; 2Jedismom

My last suit was under $200. But that was just the suit and I think it was on sale.

2J, you're not going to get anything decent for under $150. But you could spend much more than that if you want. You ~could~ go the Penneys route. The Stafford line isn't ~bad~.

But really, for a suit you can tell if it's off the rack or custom fit. It's an investment. And if you go with something basic like navy, black or gray, it will last him for years.

Heh...Olive green. I had one of those once. But it was AFTER I had the navy, the black, the gray, the tan AND the blue and white seersucker...


404 posted on 08/26/2005 10:40:50 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands
the blue and white seersucker...

Er.... Hrm...

405 posted on 08/26/2005 10:43:04 AM PDT by Lil'freeper
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To: Corin Stormhands

His other one was navy blue. The olive suit met with a sad demise back when he was commuting to DC so much. His briefcase caused the pant leg to wear where his brushed up against him. At one point the clasp on the briefcase actually snagged the fabric - those pants are very sad looking now. :(


406 posted on 08/26/2005 10:45:36 AM PDT by Lil'freeper
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To: HairOfTheDog

I think you can easily say that it's just not feasible what with the horses and with Ecurb's job situation and thank you very much, but you won't be able to make it.

If it's anything to you, I'm one of those churchy types that don't like these kinds of things either! LOL!


407 posted on 08/26/2005 10:45:54 AM PDT by 2Jedismom (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Is there any way you can go and get the lodging and then just not show up for any of the workshops?


408 posted on 08/26/2005 10:46:53 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands

Oh!!! I was thinking $500! LOL!!

$200-$250 isn't much imo, for a wool suit!


409 posted on 08/26/2005 10:47:19 AM PDT by 2Jedismom (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: 2Jedismom

One of them ~is~ in Bellevue next April. We could conceivably drive it each day and not need a farm sitter. That's the thing. We just still really don't want to go.


410 posted on 08/26/2005 10:47:46 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Overtaxed

We've thought about that.... The towns are kind of Blah... I mean it's not like there's one in Mazatlan, there's choices like "Salt Lake City" and "Eugene".


411 posted on 08/26/2005 10:48:47 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Nearly every page of the book describes sulfur-breathing, black-winged, slobbering demons battling with tall, handsome, angelic warriors on a level of reality that is just beyond the senses. However, Christian believers and New Age demon-worshippers are able to influence unseen clashes between good and evil by the power of prayer. Peretti's violent descriptions of exorcisms are especially vivid: "There were fifteen [demons], packed into Carmen's body like crawling, superimposed maggots, boiling, writhing, a tangle of hideous arms, legs, talons, and heads."

Hmmm. Sounds like the movie Constantine, which we actually enjoyed very much!

412 posted on 08/26/2005 10:51:30 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Lil'freeper; RosieCotton; SuziQ

I'm logging off for my visit with Celeste...see you soon!


413 posted on 08/26/2005 10:52:59 AM PDT by 2Jedismom (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Overtaxed

Heh, I actually have considered that.

And it's not just the workshops, it's that any overnight trip is a real PITA for us. I think they really didn't know that when they thought up this gift idea.

They have since heard our horror stories about flying the farmsitter in from Ohio for our trip to AZ in March, so maybe the idea is getting through. But then they still ask if we're coming for Christmas, so maybe not. ;~D

But there is a conference in Seattle, so we don't ~have~ to overnight it, and we can come home to feed animals.


414 posted on 08/26/2005 10:53:14 AM PDT by ecurbh (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well, if it were *me*, I'd go and make the best of it by playing hookey. Hotel room, room service, etc, etc, etc. But that's just me and not necessarily the advice I'd give to someone else.

I'm no help to you. :(

415 posted on 08/26/2005 10:53:20 AM PDT by Lil'freeper
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To: 2Jedismom

Have peace!


416 posted on 08/26/2005 10:53:22 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Lil'freeper

There's a Western wear place right near here...in the same building as the really-good-shoe-store and a good craft store. Oh, and an office supplies place. And a bakery. It's a fairly scary building.

I haven't yet gone into the clothing place, mostly 'cause I'm scared I'll get the cold shoulder for being an Easterner. Heh. And because it looks expensive.

You know, I know so few chains, I dunno even where to start if I'm really going to look for a dress. Never heard of Chico's. And actually, I've never been to a Talbot's or a Coldwater Creek - I just used to drool over Coldwater's catalog when I was overseas, and when they had, as you said, a slightly more southwestern kinda look.

We don't have any of 'em at home. I'd like to find out if there's actually a good consignment place around, too.


417 posted on 08/26/2005 10:53:37 AM PDT by RosieCotton (A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it. - GK Chesterton)
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To: RosieCotton

I like Coldwater Creek clothes, but as soon as I get a sufficient number of the pounds off, I'm going to Chico's!


418 posted on 08/26/2005 10:54:04 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Lil'freeper
Chico's

Heh, great fashion minds think alike! 'Cept you can wear them right now and I can't! ;o(

419 posted on 08/26/2005 10:55:45 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
Hmmm. Sounds like the movie Constantine,

We enjoyed Constantine, also. I read TPD and the sequel many, many years ago and enjoyed them. They were clever and entertaining and more uplifting than Constantine.

420 posted on 08/26/2005 10:56:35 AM PDT by Lil'freeper
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