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Why Judicial Appointments Do NOT Matter (Schiavo)
2005-03-26 | UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Posted on 03/26/2005 11:56:14 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

One more reason in a long history that judicial appointments will not solve the problem of leftist judges and judicial tyranny was seen on Mar. 23, 2005, in the request for emergency rehearing of the 11th Circuit en banc of the case of Schiavo v. Schiavo when George W. Bush recess appointment William H. Pryor, Jr., voted AGAINST rehearing. Rather than joining in the cogent and spirited dissent of Judge Tjoflat or associating himself with the dissent of Judge Wilson (a Clinton appointee) in the original three-judge panel, he voted with the majority in the 10-2 denial of rehearing. Judge Pryor did so without any comment to give any insight into his reasoning for doing so. But it is sure to win a brownie point or two from some Democrats who had blocked his regular appointment to the court with a threatened fillibuster - not. It is interesting to note that although the denial of rehearing was 10-2, Republican appointees actually hold a 7-5 majority on the 11th Circuit. But six Republicans voted with four Democrats to starve an innocent woman to death on the say-so of her estranged husband rather than finding one of several legal avenues placed in evidence and the law to reach a more humane and just result.

The history of Republican appointees to the Supreme Court (SCOTUS) is likewise checkered. While Nixon appointee William Rehnquist has been a stalwart conservative for 33 years, another Nixon appointee, Harry Blackmun wrote the infamous Roe v. Wade abortion opinion for the majority. And Blackmun, along with fellow Nixon and Ford appointees Louis Powell and John Paul Stevens cemented an activist leftist court through the 1970s and 1980s. Appointees by Republicans, thought conservative, as often as not become part of the activist-leftist problem upon receiving their lifetime appointments.

While Nixon and Ford had to contend with a strongly Democrat Senate to get their appointments confirmed, Reagan enjoyed for a time a Republican Senate. Although Reagan was both a social and fiscal (in theory) conservative, his appointments to SCOTUS were one conservative, Scalia, and two increasingly liberal swing votes, O'Connor and Kennedy. George H.W. Bush achieved a similar split with conservative Thomas, who squeaked in by a narrow confirmation margin in the days before filibustering of appellate judges, and liberal David Souter. It is interesting to note that the last Democrat "mistake" to SCOTUS was the Kennedy appointment of conservative Byron White in 1962.

It is hardly going to make a positive difference in the courts for conservatives when leftist presidents and Democrat Senators apply a nearly foolproof litmus test while Republican presidents tend to appoint "qualified" judges, half from each side. The math over the last 28 years of four Republican presidential terms and three Democrat, with a nearly even divide in the Senate over that time, is for 70% leftist appointees. At that rate, if there were nothing but Republican presidents for the next 40 years, the courts would be no better than evenly divided.

The solution to the problem of runaway activist leftist courts is for Republican executives to assert their independence from judicial fiat. (You could argue that Democrat presidents could do the same, except they don't need to. - They already have the courts for the forseeable future.) Federalist #78 explains that judges are "dependent" on executives to carry out their decisions. In 1832 in the case of Worcester v. Georgia recognizing the independence of the Cherokee Nation from the laws of Georgia, Andrew Jackson disregarded the Supreme Court with the famous remark "Marshall has made his decision. Now let him enforce it." leading a few year later to the removal of the Cherokee altogether. Even in the case of Marbury v. Madison, Chief Justice Marshall explicitly recognized that he could not order President Jefferson to deliver certain commissions without being ignored due to separation of powers and thus invalidated the law requiring the delivery of those commissions instead.

What happened since those early days to separation of powers? We became accustomed to the routine condition that the executive should normally support the judiciary. Even when activist judges handed down abominable decisions such as Dred Scot in 1857, which forced slavery on the whole country, the executives after the the passing of the Founding Fathers enforced them. Of course, the President at the time of Dred Scot was a pro-slavery northern Democrat, James Buchanan, who was not going to nullify Dred Scot anyway.

The only serious way to turn back judicial activism is through the executive nullification of the most odious of judicial rulings, such as starving an innocent woman to death on dubious evidence and calling it a Constitutional Right. Judge Pryor, when he comes up for confirmation to a permanent post on the court, needs to do some serious dancing around the issue of why he did not at least make a public showing to help the dying Terri Schiavo and should quite probably be denied the support of conservatives previously so eager to see him confirmed. And conservatives need to consider ways besides judicial appointments, or the forlorn hope for impeachments in a Congress too narrowly divided and partisan to sustain them, to reign in the tyranny of our current Judicial Oligopoly.


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To: Mark in the Old South
but they have lots of problems with criticism and angry voters at the polls.

What an insane statment. Both are term limited. Your agenda is really anti-Bush, not pro-Terri.

81 posted on 03/26/2005 3:07:44 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: bookworm100
If they go in to rescue Terri, the press will howl "jack-booted Nazis!" Excellent trap.

Except the Nazis didn't use force to save lives.
82 posted on 03/26/2005 3:18:33 PM PST by MTOrlando
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To: bigeasy_70118

It is so great to have people on here that practice in the Federal Court system to set the facts straight. That's what I think this site should be about -- facts!


83 posted on 03/26/2005 3:29:24 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: bigeasy_70118

Would believe your sources versus some people who seem to be disruptors looking to make Bush look bad.


84 posted on 03/26/2005 3:31:54 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: Crackingham
Wrong, common law is law based on precedent, not legislative statutes.

No, you are confusing common law (local customs or citizenry-made law) with jurisprudence. Jurisprudence is direction for future courts built up from prior decisions based on an amalgamation of common law and statute law and stare decisis. Jurisprudence is often called "case law" or "judge-made law." But jurisprudence is not law, just a collection of prior judgements that indicate how a case is going to be handled.

As an aside I will give you one more argument. The U.S. Constitution forbids ex post facto (after the fact) laws. But every judgement comes after the facts being judged. So if a judgement were law, then every judgement is unconstitutionally ex post facto. But there is nothing in the Constitution about courts making law at all.
85 posted on 03/26/2005 3:43:09 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: drc43

I will email my democrat congressman Mike Michaud and thank him for voting for Terri's life. I will also email Senator Snowe and Collins and tell them how unhappy I was they voted against life.

I still believe judges are the problem as they have made the decisions on Terri.

President Bush and Jeb Bush suffer in a drop in the polls NOT because of what they did or did not do. These poll results are due to the recent split within the GOP. Damned if you did, damned if you didn't. I do agree that the media has tilted these poll results to make it look like the drop is only because of what President Bush did.

Before the Schiavo Case came to the front burner the major issue was this nation's problem with activist liberal judges. Am I the only one to see that the Schiavo Case is nothing but an extension of the problem we have with liberal activist judges?
Both President Bush and Governor Bush have been critised by both liberals and conservatives for the actions they have already taken (though I think they did right) and then you have the rest of the conservatives critising them for actions they have not taken. The possibility of having enough votes for the 'constitutional option' (nuclear option) is what suffers.
Conservatives eating their own rather than inform the American People of the problem this nation has with activist liberal judges.
And I thought it would be illegal immigration that would split the GOP.

Can anybody say PRESIDENT HILLARY?

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86 posted on 03/26/2005 3:47:27 PM PST by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: ClintonBeGone
Re: "Your agenda is really anti-Bush, not pro-Terri"

It has BECOME anti-Bush in no small part because this Family and this Party has been supported by myself and many like me. There is a passage in one of the Books of Wisdom that points out it is easier to forgive a curse than the betrayal of a friend. We are called to forgive but that presumes contrition on the part of the sinner. This is true for God and it is true for his people. I don't see contrition or even attrition from anyone.

As to Terri is it possible to be pro-Terri and anti-her killers at the same time. You find that harsh? Too bad this is happening on GWB's and JB's watch just as Roe v Wade happened on Nixon's watch. I do not think the Court is independent as is reported, not anymore. I suspect they do this kind of thing only after clearing it with the other branches of government.

Move over Oliver Stone I'm moving to the grassy knoll.

I served my country but you would have a very hard time getting me to do so now. I did not serve to defend this. When it all blows up in their face I will not shed a tear.
87 posted on 03/26/2005 3:56:25 PM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Crackingham

PYROR is a coward. When it comes to killing 3000 babies everyday, he will say the same stinking worthless words ( "Support for the Ten Commandments does not give you the right to flout the rule of law.) about it not being illegal. If he wouldn't risk anything for the 10 commandments, he won't risk anything for Life.

This guy wouldn't run out in the street to save an old lady cause he might be found guilty of jaywalking.


88 posted on 03/26/2005 4:04:16 PM PST by TomasUSMC
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
No, you are confusing common law (local customs or citizenry-made law) with jurisprudence. Jurisprudence is direction for future courts built up from prior decisions based on an amalgamation of common law and statute law and stare decisis. Jurisprudence is often called "case law" or "judge-made law." But jurisprudence is not law, just a collection of prior judgements that indicate how a case is going to be handled.

You can talk about jurisprudence all you want but that doesn't change what common law is. It is law which has no statutory basis. That is the only definition of the term. It's based on community standards and precedent, nothing else. There is no "amalgamation" include statutes. By its very defintion, when a statute is binding on a case then that is no longer common law. That's statutory law. Common law is distinct and has nothing to do with anything legislative.

As an aside I will give you one more argument. The U.S. Constitution forbids ex post facto (after the fact) laws. But every judgement comes after the facts being judged. So if a judgement were law, then every judgement is unconstitutionally ex post facto. But there is nothing in the Constitution about courts making law at all.

Well, that's a nice try at spin but it has nothing do with what an ex post facto law really is nor what a court judgment really is. The Constitutional prohibition against ex post facto laws found in Article 1, Section 9 is a limitation on the power of Congress only.

89 posted on 03/26/2005 4:13:15 PM PST by Crackingham
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To: TomasUSMC
If he wouldn't risk anything for the 10 commandments, he won't risk anything for Life.

Clearly, he takes his oath of office seriously. If you would renounce the oath you swore then that's your business. In upholding the duties he swore in that oath, Pryor was being a man of his word.

90 posted on 03/26/2005 4:15:59 PM PST by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham

Courts don't make the common law. The people do. And when the people do, they are acting as a legislature. Courts administer the already pre-existing common law creating precedents. Precedents makes jurisprudence (from both common and statute law.)


91 posted on 03/26/2005 4:30:28 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Crackingham
The Constitutional prohibition against ex post facto laws found in Article 1, Section 9 is a limitation on the power of Congress only.

Prohibiting courts from making ex post facto laws would be redundant because courts aren't authorized to make any laws.
92 posted on 03/26/2005 4:33:51 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Milhous
Thanks for reminding me whose portrait is on a $ 10,000 bill.
93 posted on 03/26/2005 4:38:13 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: PhiKapMom

Thanks for the link PKM!


94 posted on 03/26/2005 4:39:28 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
RE: Schiavo v. Schiavo

It's Schindler v Schiavo. He's not suing himself.

Yea it is, but "she" is suing herself, believe it or not.

95 posted on 03/26/2005 5:19:08 PM PST by Vis Numar
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To: PhiKapMom

It is somewhat understandable. Congress intended that the federal court retry the case on the merits. But alas the substantive federal law as to the merits is not in the Schindler's favor, and the case will be rendered moot on procedural grounds. The layman on an emotional issue such as this does not have much patience with that. What I do have a problem with are those advocating that the executive branch take the law into its own hands, or folks on the street do. That is simply an outrageous position to advocate. What needs to be advocated is a new federal law that creates a much more difficult standard to kill by dehydration in my view.


96 posted on 03/27/2005 8:32:48 PM PST by Torie
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To: PhiKapMom

Oh yes, thank you and you're welcome. I do my best, and try to do it objectively, and separate my personal views into a clear category of its own, from other commentary.


97 posted on 03/27/2005 8:34:22 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
What needs to be advocated is a new federal law that creates a much more difficult standard to kill by dehydration in my view.

I agree with that statement 100% and we should be fighting to make it become law. That would be a positive step forward IMHO!

98 posted on 03/27/2005 9:18:00 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Let's also not forget that Pryor was the one who as, I believe, attorney general of Alabama, the one that fired Judge Roy Moore.


99 posted on 03/30/2005 6:49:12 PM PST by grassboots.org (I'll Say It Again - The first freedom is life.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Let's also not forget that Pryor was the one who as, I believe, attorney general of Alabama, the one that fired Judge Roy Moore.


100 posted on 03/30/2005 6:57:52 PM PST by grassboots.org (I'll Say It Again - The first freedom is life.)
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