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To: thoughtomator
There were seven doctors who have examined Terri and diagnosed her as PVS. You know, licensed physicians that have actually examined her; unlike Hannity's brother, "one of the best radiologists in the country," I'm sure.
8 posted on 03/23/2005 3:37:00 AM PST by SeanEBoy (Success?)
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To: SeanEBoy

The only one I've seen named is Dr. Crawford, the longtime euthanasia activist. Do you know the names of any of the others?


14 posted on 03/23/2005 3:41:52 AM PST by thoughtomator (Murder by Judges, 1 - 2 - 3, it's as easy to learn as your ABCBSCNNMSNBCs)
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To: SeanEBoy
There were seven doctors who have examined Terri and diagnosed her as PVS

Including Cranford, who said she has no rights.

I have another question

If
Terri can't think
and
Terri can't feel
Then
Why are Michael and Felos saying no one would want to live in such a miserable way?

16 posted on 03/23/2005 3:43:14 AM PST by syriacus (Cranford says "Terri has no constitutional rights." Then why has she got a "right" to be starved?)
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To: SeanEBoy

Cranford the quack examined her 45 minutes only and he was totally ridiculed onHannity. Hammesfahr examined her for 10 hours and does not believe her to be PVS. Plus he did not get paid to give his opinion unlike the quack.
You seem to have trouble following this case right???
Or Even a TV show for that matter because Hannity only brought up the expertise of his brother an emminent radiologist as to the matter of an MRI test, which is a radiology field and your hero quack was tootally stumped and proven for the incompetent death driven deranged person that he is.
"Tell me who your friends are..."


20 posted on 03/23/2005 3:48:00 AM PST by northernlightsII
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To: SeanEBoy

..."There were seven doctors who have examined Terri and diagnosed her as PVS. You know, licensed physicians that have actually examined her; unlike Hannity's brother, "one of the best radiologists in the country," I'm sure."

Doctors are proven wrong every single day...there are countless miracle stories of individuals who have survived because of the belief if family and friends and who are living today.


71 posted on 03/23/2005 4:48:28 AM PST by smiley
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To: SeanEBoy

You make it sound like all the doctors who examined TSerri diagnosed her as PVS. That is untrue.

The most experienced neurologist, and the one whospent the most time with her found that she was definitely NOT PVS.

Now, one thing about PVS is that if a person shows awareness and responsiveness only 10% of the time, the are NOT PVS.

If a doctor exaamines a patient for only a few minutes and that time happens to be a time when the patient is not aware, an incorrect diagnosis can be reached.

Its like looking at a sleeping person and drawing conclusions about what that person would be like in the waking state.

Your sarcasm and off-hand dismissal of the true state of affairs reveals you to be a person of stunted humanity. I PITY YOU.


92 posted on 03/23/2005 5:30:27 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: SeanEBoy
"There were seven doctors who have examined Terri and diagnosed her as PVS. You know, licensed physicians that have actually examined her; unlike Hannity's brother, "one of the best radiologists in the country," I'm sure."

So?

What does it matter whether Terri is diagnosed with PVS or not?

Are you suggesting that people who slip into a persistent vegitative state become, by virtue of being in a pvs, "non-persons" -- with no consitutional rights?

If so, then perhaps you should stop referring to Terri as "Terri". "Terri Schiavo" is a nmae given to an individual person. If you think that that person has ceased to exist because of pvs, then I would suggest that you start referring to the body in the hospice bed in Florida as "Terri Schiavo's body" or something that conveys your notion of the non-person-hood of that body.

You might also want to visit this FR Thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1368709/posts

See what the good Dr. Michael De Georgia, MD, head of the neurology-neurosurgery intensive care unit at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation, has to say?

He says that consciousness is what determines personhood.

And, he goes on to say, "For example, a patient in persistent vegetative state will grasp your hand. In fact if you put anything into the patient's hand, the hand will grasp it. But this is a very primitive reaction. A newborn baby will grasp your finger, but there is no consciousness."

Isn't that wonderful? Even newborn babies have no consciousness.

I would think it ghastly if someone were to ever suggest that it was OK to deny a newborn baby food or water, and to justify doing so because "there is no consciousness".

And yet, starving an adult woman seems to be OK because she is not conscious. And we are supposed to know she is not conscious because she is in pvs. And because she is in pvs, she is no really a person.

Ghastly. Just ghastly.

127 posted on 03/23/2005 9:16:29 AM PST by chs68
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