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Posted on 03/05/2005 11:51:13 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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Yeah, he's on Hannity. Just compared it to a lynching...
gotta go
Sigh. Defend us from our allies.
As a former head trauma rehab nurse, I am just heartbroken over this situation, but cannot see how things would work out any differently. I've personally experienced this exact situation with one of my patients. A woman in Texas that had a head injury, could open her eyes and look around, but could not speak or make her wishes known. She could barely move in the bed, but she could move some. Her husband requested her feeding tube removed, just like in this case and we refused since we were a rehab center, not a hospice. He transfered her to a hospice, and when they went to put her on the gurney that would take her to the ambulance that would transport her to the hospice, she grasped on to the side rail and would not let go. One of my fellow nurses cried while prying her hand off the rail.
Five days after she died, her husband married someone else.
Being rehab nurses, we were all heartbroken because we knew what rehab could accomplish...people who couldn't walk or talk or eat for a time would get those things back. Maybe not completely, but enough to live full and active lives. My understanding is that Terri was never given any rehab. Which is a shame, but could have been easily avoided.
People need to have their wishes spelled out clearly in legal form. Don't just give it to your spouse or family member...give it to your physician. The courts will otherwise go with the wishes of your next of kin every time. I saw it happen more than once where a parent didn't like the way their child's husband or wife was treating their child and there would be trouble, and hard feelings and then revenge and fighting...
It was awful and happened very frequently. This brings back so many memories to me.
Sad... very sad. What would you advise if you didn't have a good relationship with a doctor?
I don't know. I guess a lawyer? A trusted friend?
Sad... and scary. I wouldn't want to be artificially kept alive - you know, totally brain dead and hooked to machines - but I wouldn't want to be starved to death if I were at all aware of what was going on. What's the difference between a DNR and a living will?
Glad you stopped by! We've had less Tolkienish discussions lately, and more hobbitish ones about cars and jobs and moving, but it's always nice to see another friendly Tolkien-fan around. If you want to say something intelligent, you can, or we could pretend to be erudite for a while.
DNR is Do Not Resuscitate. That's when you go into cardiac arrest and they don't do anything...no chest compressions and no ventilations. No CPR, in other words.
I've been in code situations where the doctors and nurses were preparing to resuscitate a person and someone would be rushing to check the DNR status and JUST before starting CPR would yell "DNR!" Everything just stops.
You can specify in a living will whether or not you want to be a DNR or what specific interventions you want done.
I thought DNR was a little more involved than that... like you don't go on breathing machines or anything. Thanks.
It could be exactly that...say you don't code, but you start experiencing respiratory distress...then a DNR order would prevent them from putting you on a ventilator. Eventually you will "arrest", where your heart will either need to be shocked or you will die.
It's a hard thing to witness, but when a person's wishes are well-known and this ultimately is expected...after it's over, the family is usually sad, but content. There's a peace. I've seen families smiling through tears afterward. I'm always so proud of them. I don't know if that makes sense...
May I submit for your consideration, that Lembas was not a Nilla Wafer, nor was it a type of cornbread as has been suggested over the years in this very Hole.
I submit that Tolkien got the the idea from a cookie or "biscuit" as he would call it that he was having with his tea while writing. I believe that his wife provided him with a spot of tea and some sort of cookie, probably homemade and he put the idea in the book as a sustanance for the Hobbits. I believe the cookie likely provided him with a refreshing snack that helped him continue on writing, much like Lembas provided Frodo with the strength to go on to Mount Doom.
Nilla Wafers are cookies.
Yeah, but were they available in the region and at the time? I wonder...
Nilla wafers would be the right idea, though...
I still think it was "digestive biscuits"...a common cookie served with tea in the region and at the time.
Probably something close enough was available.
Yeah, but does it have vanilla in it?
Did you have your pinto beans?
Hi there, and welcome to the Hobbit Hole!
That's probably what Michael will do, too.
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