Posted on 02/14/2005 5:26:50 AM PST by SheLion
Really?
Ever been the victim of discrimation?
I have.
I have 3 kids, wife, mortgage.
I worked at a company for 16 years. They brought in 2 younger guys, to oversee my department, who told me their first week that I was being let go because I was over 40.
I am currently suing them.
I took me months to find another position. My family suffered because of this.
And you feel they have the right to do that?
Thank you!
Thank you!
What does seat belt laws have to do with this? Do you have something morally against them?
You know "darn" well that's not the point he was trying to make.
Don't use a diversion to avoid the issue.. That's a Liberal ploy
The point was Control..
Here is "the seat belt example:
Voluntary seatbelt use encouraged..
Seat belt laws passed.. only in conjunction with normal traffic stops..
Traffic stops made solely on basis of seat belt use..
Road blocks and "safety inspections" for the express purpose of checking for seat belt use, replete with tickets/fines for non-compliance..
This is the procedure..
It can be applied to smoking as well...
Beginning with the ban on smoking on airlines.. international flights first, then national..
Bans in government facilities.. National, then state, then local.. ( extreme examples, ban of smoking within city limits, exist today. No smoking even outside, if within city limits. )
Bans in "public places".. Malls, etc.. (local, county ordinances)
Bans in restaurants.. then bars..
Some bans exist on smoking in one's own car..and in one's own home..
What do you have against personal freedom?
Do you have something morally against it?
Or is it your political philosophy ?
So years from now, while you are struggling to hike up a flight of stairs, I'l still be running up two at a time. I'll still have my youthful glow while you'll be sucking on an oxygen bottle.
It is used to achieve Socialism in a society indoctrinated by Liberal thought
It is the same method being used the the Gun Control Lobbies in this country..
If one were to look into many other societal restrictions of the day, one would find numerous other examples of how individual rights and freedoms are being corrupted, personal responsibility is being abdicated, and lifelong governmental control is being realized by those that want nothing less than total control of "the masses"..
They call themselves proletariat but they are worse than the bourgious they blame and denigrate in their calculated seizure of power..
Have I said I smoked?
You assume too much, "grasshopper"...
"I am a smoker. I understand and totally agree about the ban against smoking in public places and adjusted very easily to not smoking in restaurants and work etc.
The recent firing of smokers who indulge on their own time is a different matter, however."
Are you really posting on your first day as part of this board in favor of government confiscation of the use of private property, and against a private employer being able to chose who to hire/fire? Why did you join FR?
"As a non-smoker, this has little bearing on me, personally."
Are you a private property owner? If so, it has everything to do with you.
The real problem is that you failed to call the police to arrest the criminal that held the gun to your head and forced you to enter that "SMALL PIZZA PLACE". Why did you fail to do your civic duty and have the criminal arrested?
Private business owners should be able to decide if they want a smoke-free establishment or not. It's the proprietor's decision whether such a policy would be a positive or a negative for their establishment.
I personally would choose to spend my dollars in a restaurant that prohibits smoking. My guess is that many restaurants would go smoke-free in order to appear family-friendly, while most bars would continue to allow smoking.
"I don't like gov't intrusion either, but sometimes it is for a good reason."
Either you need to change your profile, or you need to study the power of market forces.
"You smokers are such martyrs. You have a problem with smoke free airline flights? Guess what, I don't want to be sealed in an airtight can with you.
So years from now, while you are struggling to hike up a flight of stairs, I'l still be running up two at a time. I'll still have my youthful glow while you'll be sucking on an oxygen bottle."
I agree, that's the way it should be. unfortunately there are anti-smoker zealots out there who being paid big bucks to convince non-smokers (not people like you) and even smokers that it is better to let the government handle it because the anti-smokers know better than the poor misinformed sheeple.
The only mis (rather dis) information regarding smoking bans is coming out of them.............
I hate washing windows, I really do - but it is a necessary part of life, whether one smokes or not.
I'm sorry, you mis interpretted my comment...........I was siding with you. I respect the right of a landlord to not wish to rent to smokers and I am the type of person that respects that, and would therefore not wish to rent from someone who would prefer not having smokers, or even states they do not want smoking tenants.
I would ask the landlord if they had a problem with smokers, and I in fact did ask the last time I rented an apartment. And that was nearly 15 years ago.
In locations, such as California, New York, Delaware, Maine that is no longer permitted. Even the "cigar bars" have been forced to go non-smoking. heck in Delaware even tobacco shops have to be non-smoking.
I know exactly what you are saying - I am just afraid of some of the ways it can be misused.
Your point very well said. Control the people through little acts of "we know what's best for you" first, and the rest of their socialist agenda will fall into place. I am amazed at how many people cannot see the hidden agenda coming. I suppose they'll understand when they get pulled over and are asked to "show me your papers!"
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