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To: shekkian; TexasCowboy
It's not about smoking and health any more than seat belt laws were about safety. It's about control.

What does seat belt laws have to do with this? Do you have something morally against them?

You know "darn" well that's not the point he was trying to make.
Don't use a diversion to avoid the issue.. That's a Liberal ploy

The point was Control..
Here is "the seat belt example:
Voluntary seatbelt use encouraged..
Seat belt laws passed.. only in conjunction with normal traffic stops..
Traffic stops made solely on basis of seat belt use..
Road blocks and "safety inspections" for the express purpose of checking for seat belt use, replete with tickets/fines for non-compliance..

This is the procedure..
It can be applied to smoking as well...
Beginning with the ban on smoking on airlines.. international flights first, then national..
Bans in government facilities.. National, then state, then local.. ( extreme examples, ban of smoking within city limits, exist today. No smoking even outside, if within city limits. )
Bans in "public places".. Malls, etc.. (local, county ordinances)
Bans in restaurants.. then bars..
Some bans exist on smoking in one's own car..and in one's own home..

What do you have against personal freedom?
Do you have something morally against it?
Or is it your political philosophy ?

64 posted on 02/14/2005 7:22:39 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach
You smokers are such martyrs. You have a problem with smoke free airline flights? Guess what, I don't want to be sealed in an airtight can with you.

So years from now, while you are struggling to hike up a flight of stairs, I'l still be running up two at a time. I'll still have my youthful glow while you'll be sucking on an oxygen bottle.

66 posted on 02/14/2005 7:34:49 AM PST by shekkian
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To: shekkian; TexasCowboy; SheLion
Incidentally, my examples in #64 are known as the "incremental approach to total control"..

It is used to achieve Socialism in a society indoctrinated by Liberal thought

It is the same method being used the the Gun Control Lobbies in this country..

If one were to look into many other societal restrictions of the day, one would find numerous other examples of how individual rights and freedoms are being corrupted, personal responsibility is being abdicated, and lifelong governmental control is being realized by those that want nothing less than total control of "the masses"..

They call themselves proletariat but they are worse than the bourgious they blame and denigrate in their calculated seizure of power..

67 posted on 02/14/2005 7:40:14 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach
The point was Control..

Your point very well said. Control the people through little acts of "we know what's best for you" first, and the rest of their socialist agenda will fall into place. I am amazed at how many people cannot see the hidden agenda coming. I suppose they'll understand when they get pulled over and are asked to "show me your papers!"

80 posted on 02/14/2005 8:12:40 AM PST by Gerish (Choose God, he has already chosen you.)
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