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I did several google searches on boys, men, the Pill, maturing, etc. etc..

Couldn't find any that addressed what I wrote above ... so I decided to write it myself.

1 posted on 10/29/2004 7:47:24 AM PDT by gobucks
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To: gobucks

Very interesting analysis on this issue.


2 posted on 10/29/2004 7:51:15 AM PDT by RockinRight (Bush's rallies look like World Series games. Kerry's rallies look like Little League games.)
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To: gobucks
>Young pretty women usually love to talk

Yes, but, you can't buy
a brain, and you can't talk well
with your hair and breasts . . .

4 posted on 10/29/2004 7:58:36 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: gobucks

Excellent read. I think I'll print it out and give it to my kids (14 and 12).


5 posted on 10/29/2004 8:07:35 AM PDT by rllngrk33 (The fourth estate in this country has become a fifth column.)
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To: xzins; Old_Professor; PatrickHenry; Alamo-Girl; qam1; little jeremiah; AnAmericanMother; ...

as a breather from all the election stuff that is so absorbing you all, here's a thought provoker

(just returning the favor for the thoughts you have provoked; this is not some ping list) ...(and I think this is esp an gen x issue too...)


6 posted on 10/29/2004 8:08:53 AM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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To: gobucks

A very thoughtful and insightful article.


8 posted on 10/29/2004 8:15:24 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Everyone calm down, Ohio is still Bush country)
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To: gobucks

Excellent!


9 posted on 10/29/2004 8:19:14 AM PDT by sionnsar (NYT/Cbs: "It's fake but true!" | Iran Azadi | Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: hinckley buzzard; ModelBreaker; thulldud; 1john2 3and4

ping


10 posted on 10/29/2004 8:21:28 AM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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To: gobucks

Thanks for the thoughtful posting. Enjoyed reading it.


13 posted on 10/29/2004 8:28:13 AM PDT by Dad was my hero
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To: gobucks

Very well written !


14 posted on 10/29/2004 8:29:41 AM PDT by jimt
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To: gobucks

Great read


19 posted on 10/29/2004 9:04:04 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: gobucks

Well, there's an inherent contradiction here.

I've noticed from the picture threads that freepers are actually a pretty randy bunch, if you'll pardon the UK-ism.

If we had a kid every time we had sex, we'd all go broke! That would mean a kid every nine months or so for maybe 5-10 years. Yikes. Five children is not going to work in today's society, more's the pity.

It worked before, when kids were financial assets, being extra hands on the farm. But in today's urban world, where kids have no economic value until they're long out of the nest, it's just not practical. Birth control, love it or hate it, is a modern necessity in our society.

Unless you value celibacy-in-marriage, which I don't see many freepers, male or female, settling for.

D


20 posted on 10/29/2004 9:07:37 AM PDT by daviddennis (;)
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To: gobucks
I told him a woman who doesn't take the Pill is a far more interesting creature to pay attention to ... because ultimately, she is capable of loving him more, by seeking to help him grow up.

Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to tell my wife tonight that 1.) she's not interesting, and 2.) she doesn't love me very much.

25 posted on 10/29/2004 9:32:39 AM PDT by Sloth ("Rather is TV's real-life Ted Baxter, without Baxter's quiet dignity." -- Ann Coulter)
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To: gobucks

Pretty good.

As an aside, any "man" that lets his wife use a hyphenated name should turn his member in at the door.


33 posted on 10/29/2004 9:45:33 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (The cool points are out the window and you got me all twisted up in the game)
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To: gobucks

welll done!


34 posted on 10/29/2004 9:46:59 AM PDT by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: gobucks
I told him a woman who doesn't take the Pill is a far more interesting creature to pay attention to ... because ultimately, she is capable of loving him more, by seeking to help him grow up.

Utter nonsense. I didn't need a woman to help me grow up nor have I ever seen any difference between women who take the pil and those that do not.

35 posted on 10/29/2004 9:51:49 AM PDT by Modernman (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J.)
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To: gobucks; daviddennis

It is unconscionable to produce children in the hopes that they will serve as some sort of medication to the adults who brought them into the world. Children do not exist to save shaky marriages, to help overgrown adolescents grow up, or any other such purpose that selfish irresponsible parents may have in mind for them.


42 posted on 10/29/2004 10:33:01 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: gobucks

oh brother. so WE are responsible to translate boys into men? are we also responsible for making men feel like boys too? if the author of this sat next to me as a young woman on a plane and said, "how are you responsible for translating boys into men?" i think i would call the stewardess and ask for a new seat.

how about if alot of things have affected men's ability to translate themselves into men and not just the pill? in many ways, i thank god for the pill.

i am not a libber and i think there are alot of reasons why men have chosen for THEMSELVES not to grow up and take responsibility. instead of bugging the women, ask all those thousands of men you see lined up in video arcades, in bowling alleys, at golf courses, in bars, etc. ask THEM why they have never grown up but instead like the role of peter pan where a woman is made to be responsible for them (like a mommy) instead of them taking on their god given roles.

girls are to blame as well when they fail to become responsible and mature. there are plenty of women also abdicating their role as a wife and parent. so it is not just a male thing.

maybe some of the blame lies in our letting the schools take over many of the jobs we, as parents, should be doing? how many parents do you know that actually walk their older children through checkbooks, financial training, contractual agreements, shopping, etc or do we expect them to learn on their own the hard way. maybe parents find it too time consuming to be parents the way they should be.

the issue of learning maturity and responsibility is a heck of a lot more complex than women's birth control.


70 posted on 11/04/2004 12:04:12 PM PST by applpie
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To: gobucks

I am convinced that the increasing rates of inferility and breast cancer (particularly in women who have no family history of cancer) are directly related to pill use, particularly pill plus smoking. Similarly, I know two young women who died from breast cancer within two years of fertility treatment. I would not be surprised if Elizabeth Edwards' breast cancer is related to her late-life pregnancies, which I suspect (though without documentation) were fertility-drug inspired.


75 posted on 11/04/2004 5:27:56 PM PST by MHT
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To: gobucks
Young pretty women usually love to talk.

Sure they love to talk, just not with me.....other than that, very insightful work.

84 posted on 11/04/2004 8:09:48 PM PST by GOP_Raider (With a QB named Kerry, is it any wonder the Raiders are 2-6 right now?)
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