Are you aware of the procedure illustrated above?
(I'm sorry, I replied once, but my on-line temporarily disconnected. I wasn't ignoring you.)
In answer to your question, my personal belief is that God is in charge of who gets born, and who doesn't. That means to me that any child who is supposed to be here -- regardless of contraception or not -- will be born. With respect to Free Will, all things work to God's greater glory, even when we don't understand them.
I have never had an unwanted pregnancy. I have miscarried three times, and it was only the strength of my faith that got me through those dark times. I do not believe an egg cell carries "half a soul" nor do I believe a sperm cell carries "half a soul" and I do not presume to know when God decides to "breathe" a soul into a child. I do know my lost ones are neither in hell or purgatory, because my loving God would NEVER do that to me.
By logic that views abortion as murder, that makes my miscarriages (which were acts of God) a crime by Him, and I * WILL NOT * believe that.
Sounds like you have a serious case of "democratic, I can convince myself of anything disease".
You clearly have a twisted view of christianity. It is about freedom of choice, but not freedom from consequence.
So, abortion to you is the same as a pregnant woman losing her baby because of a drunk driver hitting her in a head on collision? You don't see how one is truly random and the other was deliberate?
"By logic that views abortion as murder, that makes my miscarriages (which were acts of God) a crime by Him, and I * WILL NOT * believe that."
Your logic is flawed. People who die of natural causes were not murdered by God, whether they are 90 years or 90 minutes old. God's decision to end life is part of his plan. A person's decision to end life is part of that person's plan. Not God's. God allows us to choose. That doesn't mean he always approves of our choices.
Are you aware of the procedure illustrated above?
Yeah. That's something that if you've been through it no explanation is necessary, and if you haven't no explanation is possible.
In answer to your question, my personal belief is that God is in charge of who gets born, and who doesn't. That means to me that any child who is supposed to be here -- regardless of contraception or not -- will be born. With respect to Free Will, all things work to God's greater glory, even when we don't understand them."
That's demented Islamofascist logic. That's the same logic those scumbags use when they smash planes into buildings.
Well, I think you'd find broad agreement her on that-- except maybe with Catholics, I'm not sure, frankly how they view it.
By logic that views abortion as murder, that makes my miscarriages (which were acts of God) a crime by Him, and I * WILL NOT * believe that.
I see where you're confused. When you kill someone who is trying to stab you in the throat, that's not murder. When you kill someone who is merely reading a book on a park bench, that's murder. When a pre-born life is taken accidentally (when God takes it), that's not murder. When a woman deliberately has a doctor burn the flesh with saline solution or chop the body up and stab needles and hoses inside it to take the pre-born life, it's murder. Does that clear things up?
Oh, and we'd have a lot more respect for you if you were pro-abortion for cold, utilitarian reasons-- like Swift's Modest Proposal.
If you still want to be pro-abort, you should say that's why you are. Acknowledge it's a life and that it's murder, but say, so what? The greater good is more important. You can't really argue with someone like that.
I didn't mean to come off so harsh, I understand as best I can, that you have found solace in your loss through those ideas you posted here.. But, without coming to a deeper understanding of the differrences between Divine Providence and Free Will, you won't have a leg to stand on in an discussion based on those thoughts which give you comfort personally.
What you debate here, has been debated for millenia, it's the absence of the disseminatino of previous generations' knowledge that has left you "open for discussion".
I'm skipping the gay argument here.
Do you really believe this?
If so, then do you also believe that any time a person dies, that that, too, is an "act of God" -- a crime by Him?
Why would you think that God causes miscarriages?
Do you think that God is responsible when a child drowns?
Or that God is responsible when a baby dies of SID?
Or that God causes some children to die in automobile accidents?
The fact that some pregnancies end in miscarriage does not, it seems to me, mean that God is responsible, as though God were some "great abortionist in the sky". Perhaps I misunderstand your point, though.
Coud you clarify it for me?
Death by natural causes - in the womb or in the retirement home, is an entirely different thing than a person intentionally killing another person.
You do understand that, don't you?
When I was in Mosul, we'd get mortared on a regular basis. Mortars are a very random, arbitrary threat; you just never know where the thing's gonna land. The Mad Mortarman of Mosul, as we called him (or them, I guess) was a lousy shot. He couldn't hit the airfield most of the time, much less anything else. The sheer randomness of it left everyone with a sense that at any time, you could be standing in the wrong place, and the Mad Mortarman might accidentally hit you.
I didn't stop wearing my body armor, though. Free will, and the choices you make, directly impact your life. What you do, or fail to do, will have consequences. God may have a plan, but he leaves almost all of the execution of it up to us.
By logic that views abortion as murder, that makes my miscarriages (which were acts of God) a crime by Him, and I * WILL NOT * believe that.
I'm very sorry for your loss. I think, though, that you're trying to attribute human motives to God. All of us will die. Our time on Earth is finite due to the frailty of our physical bodies. That doesn't mean that God is running around murdering people.
The logic that views miscarriages as murder by God would view any death under any circumstance as murder by God. I suppose you could make that case, but you'd have to consult a wiser man than I. I don't buy it, myself. As I see it, humans die when killed by something else, or they die when their bodies fail on their own. God seems to let that system run pretty much unattended.
That is non-sensical logic.
abortion is the human taking of a human life.
a Miscarriage is just that, an accident or an ill-fated birth. This is no more murder than a traffic accident is.
If you are putting abortion and miscarriage on the same definition level, then you are equating man with God and that is a major flaw in your logic.