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Posted on 08/05/2004 5:47:31 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
Eleventh Thread: Wedding Edition: The Hobbit Hole XI - No One Admitted Except on Wedding Business!
New verse:
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Upon the hearth the fire is red, |
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I like a lot of music from that period, esp. the Beatles and Doors.
I feel it's pretty necessary to have two dresses per season. I really hate wearing the same dress to church every week. Sure, it's the only place I wear dresses, but it still seems... cheap. I really hate dressing up for church, so I make a special effort to look nice every week. That's why I wear hats every Sunday. I'm a little twisted.
It was terrible customer service on their part. Really, whatever employee was responsible for that needs to be reprimanded. If it was the manager, I'd talk to the district manager and let them know how that store is handling customer service.
How'd your movie turn out yesterday?
I'm about to leave for church in a few minutes here. Think I'm getting sick--had a sore throat yesterday and today I feel stuffy and lightheaded.
Church on Saturday? That's cheating.
Heh... the card pictured three bored-looking women playing harmonicas.
I had some favorite cards for their effect on play... I guess my favorite card name though, might be Bite the Wax Tadpole.
Catholic Answers Forum: Saturday Mass (In lieu of missing Sunday)
Can Saturday Mass suffice for the Sunday obligation?
If by "Saturday Mass" you mean the daily Mass that is celebrated on Saturday, no. If you mean the vigil Mass that is celebrated on Saturday afternoon or evening in anticipation of Sunday, yes, the vigil Mass suffices for the Sunday obligation.
Back in a while--have a good afternoon!
Yeah, I'm sure it fulfills requirements and I've got no place to talk. Still, it seems like... a loophole. If you're required to be in church every Sunday (which to a Protestant sounds like legalism, honestly; I understand the reasoning but it's still out of my point of reference), then Saturday shouldn't count as Sunday...
Not at all, after all the Christian Sabbath technically begins at sundown on Saturday!
Well, I liked it because it was obviously a play on "Harmonic Convergence" which I had to explain to my sons when I started laughing at the card!
Does it? The Jewish Sabbath begins at sunset on Friday. Do any Christians these days do things the same way?
It's just interesting to see the differences... we were raised to think missing church on Sunday for frivolous reasons is wrong (well... all right... so there was the "Big Mad Adrian" two weeks where we had a particular substitute preacher who was, um, highly... boring. And we couldn't quite muster the will to drive 40 miles to hear him...) - but anyway, making it an obligation... guess it's the Protestant dislike of making anything seem like a requirement.
Man, I'm not phrasing this properly! Oh well.
Jen, Corin, Ruthie:
Your Hobbit Hole "seconds" knives were shipped today. Thank you, and I'm sure you will find them great values.
Everyone:
There are four more "seconds" left, and the price just can't be beat. I doubt if there will be more in the future, because I don't think Bladematrix will put someone inexperienced on the laser engraver again, where he generates a $17 loss for each knife.
Also, the serrated-blade knives will be in soon. Everyone is encouraged to take a free knife if they think they will find a deserving GI or vet to present it to in real life. We already have had a few people give away their own knives to someone they've met along the way. This way, you can "be prepared" with one new-in-the-box.
I'll be keeping one in my briefcase, just-in-case.
If you want to be part of this scheme, freepmail me, making sure I have your mail address.
We used to be involved with a Catholic Charismatic group that celebrated "Lord's Day", which was the Sabbath. Members of the community would try to get together with another family for dinner on Saturday night to open "Lord's Day", then on Sunday night, after Mass, to close it.
The RCC's Saturday vigil is an extrapolation from the same idea: early Christians were Jews, so for them the day after the Sabbath (=Sunday, the day of Christ's resurrection, the day the early Christians typically met) started at sunset on Saturday.
As for it being obligatory, without turning this into the religion forum :) I'll say that as far as I'm aware it's traditionally obligatory in many Protestant denominations and nondenominational churches as well, based on the commandment to honor the Sabbath and passages such as Hebrews 10:25: "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is. . ." Here is what Luther said on the subject:
Martin Luther, The Large Catechism, V. Part First. The Third Commandment
However, this, I say, is not so restricted to any time, as with the Jews, that it must be just on this or that day; for in itself no one day is better than another; but this should indeed be done daily; however, since the masses cannot give such attendance, there must be at least one day in the week set apart. But since from of old Sunday [the Lord's Day] has been appointed for this purpose, we also should continue the same, in order that everything be done in harmonious order, and no one create disorder by unnecessary innovation.
Here is what Calvin said on it (alluding, like Luther, to 1 Corinthians 14:40):
John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 2, Chapter 8
Religious meetings are enjoined us by the word of God; their necessity, experience itself sufficiently demonstrates. But unless these meetings are stated, and have fixed days allotted to them, how can they be held? We must, as the apostle expresses it, do all things decently and in orders (1 Cor. 14:40). So impossible, however, would it be to preserve decency and order without this politic arrangements that the dissolution of it would instantly lead to the disturbance and ruin of the Church. But if the reason for which the Lord appointed a sabbath to the Jews is equally applicable to us, no man can assert that it is a matter with which we have nothing to do.
Anyway, it was a good service! :) And now I'm going to eat supper--back in a bit!
It's not obligatory in any formal sense in any church I've ever been to. We don't have "mortal sins", but if we did, missing a Sunday bwould not be one.
Located the church I'm going to try tomoorw. Their doctrinal statements are all right, so it remains to see how they are in practice.
Thank you! I'm looking forward to having it!
WOO HOO! It's raining!
We really needed the rain; the lawn was starting to crunch underfoot! I know you had mentioned that y'all were really dry this spring and summer, too.
That may be the case in churches you've been to. But historically it used to be obligatory in a formal sense among Protestants. For instance blue laws for the Sabbath were operant into the early 20th century in most parts of the US. In the nondenominational church I used to attend, Sunday attendance was considered obligatory on the basis of Scripture, though of course deliberately missing would not be categorized as a mortal sin as in the RCC, it would just be discouraged as un-Scriptural.
Hope you like your new church. Are they PCA?
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