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PTB = Powers that be

How stoopid of me for not knowing that. Ok, one more point AGAINST him. "Powers that be" is one more phrase used regularily by the conspiracy theorists. Duh... I feel like an idiot for not catching that one. Thanks.

The US is expecting to be attacked by terrorist any time from now to just before the election. The ships being at sea makes them a much tougher target. They are most vulnerable in port.

Yes, correct. Exactly correct.

Thank you for your rational input and hard work on this thread's subject. Could you please explain exactly how it is that if we will be passing into a dust cloud that the sun will become "whiter" while the moon becomes red?

Thanks. Yes, certainly. That's actually a pretty easy question, even though I might not be 100% accurate. The sun is actually "yellow". White light is light made up of many (all) of the various colors of the spectrum. I can't exactly explain why there will be more "white" though. It would perhaps seem that way if certain colors were "dimmed" from the main spectral line. That is, let's say that most of the "yellow" is removed by going through the dust (which is likely) and therefore whatever colors are left will appear more "white".

The moon normally receives light directly from the sun, we see that light reflected off the surface. The light hitting the moon, which will already be somewhat "dimmed" and perhaps "whiter" with then reflect through more dust to the earth, at night. That dust will remove most of the blue components from the light (which makes me think that most things we see will appear "redder".

The difference is... the sun is generating the light. The moon is reflecting it.

A kind of analogy would be a television set screen (regular CRT) and a painting containing all the colors of the rainbow. The light from a television is generated, using RED, GREEN and BLUE. The light you see on a painting is REFLECTED and some colors are ABSORBED, therefore even though we see "red as red" one is the result of other colors being absorbed, and the other (the TV) is generated light.

I'm sure that isn't the best explanation, but it's about as close to correct as I can explain it without digging through a bunch of old books, and just using my memory :)

If the moon is to shine red, that means the dust cloud is not hydrogen, but heavy elements. If it is heavy elements, then the sun would not shine more brightly.

It's a dust cloud, not a hydrogen cloud. Hydrogen, if I recall correctly tends to have a yellowish color when burned. Been a long, long, long, long time since high school chemistry classes. But if it is DUST... remember when all the fires were burning last year and year before in CA and here in CO? We had brilliant red skies at night here in CO. I'd bet those east of the fires in CA had the same thing.

To me, AB's constant references to satellites falling from the sky and spreading radiation all over shows the true agenda: environazi who also dislikes the US intensely since Skylab. No to mention the timing of this - it could almost be an internet based trailer for Day After Tomorrow.

Agreed, I think I mentioined something about that (something about leftists, anti-war, anti-nuke or something like that). The VAST MAJORITY of these folks with the conspiracies are ALL leftists, as well as Anarchists, socialists and communists.

Fear is their most often used tool, and making the ignorant among us fearful is what has kept them alive since the beginning of man's existence. < br>
Which is why I make these sorts of things part of a PERSONAL crusade to correct the incorrect, right the wrongs, to explain the "unexplanable" and to show the TRUE FACTS about a subject, instead of allow ignorance to reign free on the internet. I'm not a "debunker" (hey, I believe Big Foot is REAL for Pete's Sake!) but I will certainly find out about the truth and tell everyone who will listen. Hasn't there been several discoveries over the past several years by amateur astronomers of comets, meteors, etc? To think that "Dr. Gartrell" is one of only a few people with this information, and several folks with specifics direct you to their web-site, where they try mightily to sell you merchandise is one red-flag that goes up.

There are a half-dozen programs throughout the world looking at Near Earth Asteroids and PHAs or Potentially Hazardous Asteroids. They have been looking for them in ernest since Shoemaker-Levy 9 smashed into Jupiter. It was realized (being the first time we'd ever SEEN a planetary impact) FINALLY what the real dangers are of having a piece of rock hit us. So, over the past 5-6 years or so, they have discovered close to 2000 of these objects, tracked them carefully, and calculated the probabilities of an Earth impact. ALL of that data is available right here on the internet. They don't hide it, contrary to popular conspiracy belief. I've shown this several times in the past year on other sites when people started screaming about "They are keeping information from us". When you show that info, they start yelling how we're being provided with BOGUS information. You can't please conspiracy theorists. There's no need to try. Simply show them to be liars or "makers up of stories" and move on. LOL

Just a note as this thread winds down...

As I thought from the beginning, another bogus journey into how far the fear will spread, before the truth came to light, thru the hard work of a very few, including Rick.

What concerns me, and not just because of my background, but because I've seen it over and over again, throughout the past few years, is the lack of discussion of what each of us *should* do, if such as threat as this thread brought, should come around to be true some day in the future.

Just as Rick is, I've been watching the skies for decades, starting when I was ten, having the ability to give friends and families tours of the sky with binoculars, telescopes, and the naked eye of the constellations, the parade of planets, the meteor showers, the comets, and all those interesting things hidden out there. I've enjoyed the LINEAR and NEAT comets coming around in the same time frame, and from my perspective here is wide open Wyoming, its a beautiful site.

I've built telescopes from scratch, have more than a few astonomy programs, and understand the cyclicle nature of the planets, the solar system the galaxy, and the dance of the stars more then most, in time frames that others never try to fathom.

I do not fear the unknown, and never have...I embrace it. I consider myself a pragmatist..."stuff" happens, with no control from any of us, and one of the things that occurs, with regular, if stilted, freqeuncy, is earth impacts of space debris from around the universe. But, being a pragmatist, also allows me to know that *I* can plan and respond and react to whatever DOES happen, so that soon afterwards, I can continue on in my life in some semblance of normalcy.

It happens literally a MILLION times a day, every day, year in and year out. Dust particles, micrometeorites, giant ice balls including those photographed by NASA over the years, debris and smoke particles from larger space rocks that vaporize a hundred miles up in the atmosphere...it all hits the earth at some point...thanks to gravity.

My point is we don't think about this, and we should. Yes, the larger ones, like the one over Washington state a few days ago, remind us that "things" are up there, and aimed at us all the time. Why does it take the threat of a life-ending impact, to bring us around to consider "what do we do, where do we go, how will we go on"...mode of inner turmoil, that STILL won't let us get around to discussing and planning, how we could truly react and mitigate PERSONAL loss and death in the face of a REAL impact.

In over 220 posts in this thread, most of which tried to pursue truth and verification, there were interspersed precious little comments about what could and should be done by EACH of us, to prepare for the literal worst thing that could happen.

I suppose it is just human nature, to personally want to comtemplate our souls, our reasons for living, and even our navels, when some, or all, of the 4 horsemen are heard to be just over the horizon, and headed our way. But, if we as a civilization are to continue and prosper throughout the rest of the ages, we are going to HAVE to consider and discuss in open forums such as this, IN TIMES of threat, actions that we as a society, a family, a community, should truly plan and act on, for when the threat IS real.

If not this time, when?

If not this threat, then what?

If not this group, then where?

ALL of us here, in this forum, and preferably, on this board, are intelligent, caring people. The trolls, and provokers here, such as AB, DO serve a purpose, in getting US to think of things we normally don't.

Are we going to PLAN to take the time to make good, guided decisions on actions we should take for the time that Everest-sized rock falls on Canada again?

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,63728,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_4

Are we going to wait until the threat from space IS real, and the entire population of the world's attention is required to be turned to fight the menace, such as late President Ronald Reagon refered to years ago in a speech about "an alien threat" during a December 4, 1985, speech at the Fallston High School in Maryland, where he spoke about his first summit with General Secretary Gorbachev in Geneva. According to a White House transcript, Reagan remarked that during his 5-hour private discussions with Gorbachev, he told [Gorbachev] to think, "how easy his task and mine might be in these meetings that we held if suddenly there was a threat to this world from some other species from another planet outside in the universe. We'd forget all the little local differences that we have between our countries ..."

Replace "Aliens" with "Giant Flaming Rocks From Space", and yes, the world WOULD come together if the threat was real.

Come'on, people. It's NOT real this time...but what are you going to do when it is? Or, are you going to shut down, run around in circles in your yards screaming, "the end is near, the end is near", have panic sex in your last hours, or make a mad dash to become a classic liberalists few of a survivalist, and raid the gun shops, grocery stores, and SUV dealers and head for the hills, without any planning or forthought?

This thread is not quite done, I think...

Let's turn our attention to CALMLY discussing what our families could REALLY do, if a ROCK was really headed our way.

Give it a shot, it could turn out to be one of the best things you ever do.

Richard