Posted on 03/06/2004 8:42:17 PM PST by woofie
DENVER - A Denver synagogue was damaged with graffiti overnight. Swastikas were drawn on the synagogue on south Monaco Parkway.
The graffiti was in the doorway and across a sign. There were also several symbols drawn on the back wall of the building.
A holocaust survivor who saw the graffiti says it was almost too much to take. There was no official response available from the congregation Saturday, although several people who called 9NEWS to report the damage said that they blamed Mel Gibsons movie The Passion of the Christ for rekindling anti-Semitism.
Members of the congregation will gather Sunday morning to start cleaning off the graffiti.
You know, these things are common. I've no doubt there have been a number of these incidents since the movie opened. The next day a few Jewish kids lockers at the local high school were vandalized in the same way. Because of the movie, no. Could it be fake, sure, not likely, people just don't fake these things every week. The callers who characterized the incident to the press are morons, the newspaper is doing it's obligatory rabble rousing. And a 400 plus post thread with many posters (not you) accusing the local Jews of defiling their own Synagoge is obscene, absent evidence other than the various posters opinions of "Jews". Sorry again for confusing you.
Yes it was. Minding it's own business on US 19 when some religious extremist or secular liberal/socialist/communist destroyed it.
Odd how this incident didn't make the alphabet soup in any news cycle. You know, Petey Jennings saying something like, "...it's those Islamic fascist who destroyed that shrine," or Ran Dather, "...another Christian church was destroyed today...," or Brokejaw, "...the movie Lawrence of Arabia caused the destruction of the Virgin Mary shrine in Clearwater..."
T'is cool how the Left is so exorcised (hehehe) about The Passion isn't it. 8^)
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1945 was 58 years ago. Somebody who is 70 now, would have been 12 then, so there are still a bunch of survivors kicking around. Those who were adults then are mostly dead now, though.
The point is, who qualifies as a "holocaust survivor"? Is it only (a)those who actually went into the camps and survived, (b)those who were in Nazi-occupied Europe, or (c)any Jew who was alive in 1945 anywhere in the world, even safe in the USA. I tend to go with (b).
How many Jews of category B now live in the United States? I doubt that many.
Could be. These things do happen every week, you just don't read about them. It's a non-story which, with the right spin, is an event. If you're including the press in someone who wants to give the impression that the Right (represented by Gibson) is anti-Sematic, you may be getting very close to the truth.
I saw the movie, and came away with a very different interpretation: that the conflict was not "The Jews" versus Jesus, but Satan versus Jesus. That what was happening was not a result of "evil Jews", but of particular Jews being manipulated by an evil force. That evil can take human form and walk among us.
The Christians in the audience did not interpret that scene as Jewish children being demons -- they interpreted it as demons being able to assume any disguise, no matter how initially innocent-looking. That was the message Gibson was trying to convey
Since there are "many," why don't you list five. Provide citations.
Veronica, please see my Post 345.
Is this another instance of two vastly different ancestral cultures looking at the same thing and coming to totally opposite conclusions?
In every such article, vitriol is directed at Gibson and categorical statements and innuendoes are thrown out.
"Gibson thinks every non-Catholic is going to hell.".......I have no idea what he believes and I have never heard him say that. Can a link be provided to document such an accusation?
"Gibson...favors the Tridentine Mass, a relic."........Ummmm, sounds ominous. I wonder what evil rite the Tridentine Mass is? Let's see. According to the link, it's a Mass dating back to the early Church in the 6th Century, codified in the 16th Century and, in 1988, Pope John Paul II, in the instruction Ecclesia Dei Adflicta, stated that there was nothing wrong with attending such a Mass. Yep, sounds pretty bad. Just like the politician that accused his opponent of ambulating right in front of a 13 year old girl.
"He is clearly and palpably anti-Semitic. His movie is an act of aggression against Jews".......Based on what? On the fact that Passion Plays in 19th Century Czarist Russia had a very deliberate "Jews killed Christ" message which translates into the belief that any dramatization of the Passion by 21st Century American Christians have a deliberate "Jews killed Christ" message?
"Charles notes how Satan walks and lives and breathes among the Jews in the movie".......Well that's a good one. The American Christians see Satan walking in a crowd in a city and they think, "Satan walks upon the Earth and he could be right next to us."
It's a crowd in Jerusalem almost 2000 years ago. Except for the Romans, everyone there from Jesus, to Mary to the Apostles to Caiphas to the Pharisees to Caipha's rent-a-mob is Jewish. Who else is supposed to form a crowd in Jerusalem 2000 years ago? Scandinavian Vikings?
What was the message in "Faust"?......That Satan walks and lives and breathes among the Germans?
What was the message in "Damned Yankees"?......That Satan walks and lives and breathes among those who are not New York Yankees fans?
"He doesn't mention that young Jewish children actually turn into demons at one point in the movie".......In one interview I saw, Gibson commented that he wanted to show Satan can disguise himself as even an innocent thing and what could be more innocent than a child. The adjective "Jewish" was never brought up.
Again, if you are going to portray "children" in a movie set in Jerusalem 2000 years ago, should you cast Norwegian children?
A Google Search of "Jewish children, demons" yields no dark secrets except some interesting facts about Jewish demon superstitions.
Without the perception, real or created, of anti-Black racism in America, Al Sharpton would be a nobody.
Without the perception, real or created, of anti-Semitism in America, Abe Foxman would be out of a job paying over $400,000 per annum.
The "Jews Killed Christ" dogma that was an intentional part of the anti-Semitic propaganda of 19th Century Czarist Russia is not a part of American Christian tradition. The American Christian believes that his own personal sins killed Christ. The American Christian does not believe that Caiphas and his rent-a-mob portray the entire Jewish people. They are merely the "Bad Guys in Authority" that are necessary in every such drama.
The "Jews Killed Christ" Eastern European libel would not have ever occurred to the millions of American Christians flocking to see this movie.
However, thanks to the Abe Foxman's of America, the Eastern European "Jews Killed Christ" libel has been taken out of it's well deserved obscurity and given more coast to coast and world-wide mass media publicity than that the authors of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" could ever have dreamed of.
I don't want to get into the argument of whether this was a false hate crime or not. However, to make a Google Search point, it makes a big difference if you search for:
"false hate crimes" with quotation marks
or
false hate crimes without quotation marks.
The former gets you two hits. The latter gets you 141,000 hits.
Agreed, but I would also argue that true anti-Semitism is on the rise in America. It's not Christians or even mouth-breathing rednecks who are anti-Semitic but rather highly educated atheists or agnostics in positions of power, like college professors and mainstream media reporters. It used to be subtle (like calling terrorists "freedom fighters") but they aren't even trying to be subtle these days.I fear one day that people who practice their faith -- both Jews and Christians -- will be persecuted in this country.
In 2001 there was a big hate crimes vote in the Texas legislature and a day or two before the vote a prominent and politically active black church here in Dallas was conveniently vandalized. It was a huge story until the Dallas Morning News reported that the suspects were black youths. All of a sudden the church, the politicians (the mayor of Dallas was a member of the church), and the police department didn't want to push the investigation any further. The "hate crime" served its purpose though and the bill passed.I don't believe for one moment that it was Jews or Christians who defaced the Denver synagogue but rather that it was commited by (a) some stupid kids; or (b) somebody who wanted to generate negative publicity about The Passion.
As to the quotes, who knows? One leads to an on topic article reverencing the misrepresentation of hate crimes, among other thing, the other to 140,000 or so articles, some related I'm sure, others unrelated. We can all draw our own conclusions on why it was suggested.
What is you religion, may I ask? How do you know it was done by your people?
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