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Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles - Daily Terror Threat
Debka ^ | 11-3-2003 | Staff

Posted on 11/03/2003 9:17:27 AM PST by tubavil

Edited on 01/26/2004 3:58:09 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Monday, November 3, 2003

A new message was posted in the last few hours by the Jeddah-based al-Qaeda-linked Al-Islah (Reform) society calling on Muslims to flee New York, Washington and Los Angeles in advance of major al Qaeda attacks in those cities. This is revealed by DEBKAfile.

The message accuses the United States of predetermining its end (doom) by its policies. ?The Jews rule the Pentagon by remote control and (are the cause) of Muslims being killed in every corner of the world. The United States should therefore expect more blows.?

The message is signed on behalf of the al Bayan (The Threat) movement by ?your warrior brother, Abul Hassan al Khadrami?.

Our Muslim expert identifies the name of the signatory as belonging to a Yemeni from Hadhrameuth, the Bin Ladens? place of origin where Osama enjoys substantial tribal support.

DEBKAfile?s counter-terror sources stress that warnings appearing on these forums are taken both very seriously and with caution by the intelligence services keeping track of the terrorist network?s electronic traffic.

Last November, Jeddah-based fundamentalist forums addressed a message to an Al Qaeda member, saying whoever understands ? understands; whoever knows, knows, but we are marching towards an operation that will take us to Paradise. Three days later, the Mombasa Paradise hotel was blown up killing 12 Kenyans and 3 Israelis and a failed shoulder-launched Strela anti-air missile missed an Israeli airliner at Mombasa airport.

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To: relee
For the first time in a few months, I drove by the Pentagon

Security has been tight at the Pentagon for a long time.

Armed Humvees always there, VA State Police always in force, the klieg lights to ID trucks (which are prohibited on 123), etc.

There are always cars in the lot on nights and weekends, but I'd be very surprised if there weren't more than normal considering the current alert status.

3,681 posted on 12/25/2003 3:28:54 AM PST by angkor
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To: JustPiper; All
Good morning and Merry Christmas to all. Thanks for keeping this thread alive for the last seven weeks.
3,682 posted on 12/25/2003 5:30:10 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Calpernia; Cindy; JustPiper; LayoutGuru2
Well Daleel's been busy today. New messages and photo in Daleel's group this morning, along with a propaganda file to help turn Americans against the war. It's pretty badly done too. About the only one who would take it seriously would be CNN.

This guy is really starting to bug me!

By the way, his sig line has changed again.

Interestingly, the entire tenor of his message has changed. This one isn't theatening imminent catastrophe at all. This message seems focused simply of changing public opinion towards the US presence in Iraq. The photo is a complete change in direction too. Very strange shift.

I guess there are several ways to look at it. The US may have stopped something major yesterday, so Daleel is back to business as usual. It could be a different writer. It could be some sort of message telling the jihadis to head for the hills, so to speak. Or it could be some other coded message. I don't think we have any way of knowing. But I think it's worth taking note of.

Hope everyone has a safe and Merry Christmas today!

3,683 posted on 12/25/2003 6:02:41 AM PST by StillProud2BeFree
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To: liz44040
I'm inclined to agree with you - my personal gut feeling is that we're not in the all clear yet by any means.

There was another assassination attempt on Musharraf in Pakastan this morning,
3,685 posted on 12/25/2003 6:51:15 AM PST by StillProud2BeFree
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To: bonesmccoy
I have been calling Daleel 'Al Phony' for a while - nothing he says materializes and it comes off asadolescent bluster.

As for a 2 mile radius, that sounds right. Idon't knowif an atomic fireball would travel that far down the subway tunnels, but I do think severa lblocks would beon fire and won't be able to be controlled, causing explosions and messes all over town.
3,686 posted on 12/25/2003 7:30:10 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: HitmanNY
MSNBC - Plane crash in Benin, W. Africa...dozens of fatalities...crashed shortly after take-off.
3,687 posted on 12/25/2003 7:49:11 AM PST by relee
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To: Quix
Ah! You were born in the Month of Washington, of Lincoln, of my mom and my daughter -- also the Chinese New Year!

Happy Birthday! Be happy no matter what intervenes, eh? Please do!

Enjoy each moment and make the best of it, be nice to all, and harsh to the wicked!

3,688 posted on 12/25/2003 7:58:51 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
THANKS TONS!

LIKEWISE!

GREAT EXHORTATION.
3,689 posted on 12/25/2003 8:02:35 AM PST by Quix (Particularly quite true conspiracies are rarely proven until it's too late to do anything about them)
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To: bonesmccoy
When the suitcase fails to lite the nuclear candle, it is then still an effective dirty bomb ... all it's innards get highly irradiated by the high, yet non-explosive neutron flux and the explosion expels fragments and aerosols that are radiocative.
3,690 posted on 12/25/2003 8:05:37 AM PST by bvw
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To: piasa
LayoutGuru has strongly suspected that 'Daleel' character is a FR lurker, if not a freeper.
3,691 posted on 12/25/2003 8:12:17 AM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: piasa
>>>>Las Vegas was where back in '98 two men were being investigated over anthrax concenrs.

This was posted on FR. I found it....let me get it.
3,692 posted on 12/25/2003 8:14:46 AM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: All
BBC story

...US security said earlier that a number of suspicious people were planning to board Air France planes.

But French officials said seven men had been freed after questioning.

A spokesman for the Interior Ministry said the men - one French, one American and several Algerians - had been briefly questioned late on Wednesday.

He described the investigation as all but on hold.

A French judicial official added that none of the passengers on the cancelled flights - including those questioned - were known to intelligence authorities or had known links with Islamic radicals.

A Tunisian national with a pilot's licence who was on a US list of suspicious people was found to be still in Tunisia and had no plans to leave the country, he said...

3,693 posted on 12/25/2003 8:16:41 AM PST by relee
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To: StillProud2BeFree
There was another assassination attempt on Musharraf in Pakastan this morning,

And don't forget on 9/9/01 the assassination of the leader Afghanistan resistance.

3,694 posted on 12/25/2003 8:17:14 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: piasa
Actually, this isn't the article I was looking for....But, this is relevant too:

THIS JUST IN AT 6:50 DIRECT FROM THE GLOBAL SCIENCE CONFERENCE IN FLORIDA:

At approximately 4:00 pm today at the Global Science Congress Conference In Daytona Beach, FL, an announcement was made regarding Larry Wayne Harris. Mr. Harris (Lancaster, OH) and William Levitt (Las Vegas, labs also in Frankfurt, Germany) were arrested in Las Vegas, Nevada. The two men were in Las Vegas, Nevada visiting Ron Rockwell for research purposes.

Ron Rockwell worked for Royal R. Rife and Crane in the 1960's and 970's. Mr. Rockwell alllegedly was in possession of the original Rife microscope / frequency generation equipment.

Mr. Levitt, a microbiologist also, is a true humanitarian and is very concerned about the current biological situation throughout the world.

Levitt and Harris were in Las Vegas to test and research the Rife equipment against several different pathogens, particularly anthrax. After the research was completed, if the equipment proved to be effective, Mr. Levitt was ready to purchase this equipment and make it available to the public for defense against biological weapons.

Why these two men were arrested for this when in reality they were scheduled to be at the Global Science Conference today to hopefully announce the results of their research to HELP save the world, not destroy it is beyond amazing. The "Powers that be" have been working for almost two years now to "set up" and neutralize Mr. Harris and now we see the fruits of their labor.

..........(cont'd)

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a4493ef14d9.htm#24




I'll look again for that article I was thinking of. I have to run shortly...so if I can't get it now, I will get it later on.
3,695 posted on 12/25/2003 8:20:48 AM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: piasa; genefromjersey; Shermy; Badabing Badaboom
This is the article I was thinking of:

Topic: White Water
ALERT: Anthrax Arrests May Be FBI "Reichstag Operation"

EMAIL Igntion Point List
February 20 1998 See Copy For Poster Information


PRESS RELEASE -- PLEASE REPOST!

THE TRAITORS MOVE AGAINST
THE PEOPLE UNDER A CLOAK OF
DECEPTION AND TREACHERY.

THE CALL MUST BE GIVEN!

READ THIS if you never read another thing from me again. Admittedly, I do not
have all the facts right now. but time constraints require that I release
known information NOW.

Also, please forgive the disoranization of this report. The way the info came
in together with severe time restraints have prevented better clarity.

Let me first say that ANY person who attacks the validity of the information
contained in this document without full and irrefutable documentation should
be considered the enemy. We do not have the time or luxury of dealing with
the detractors or counterintelligence forces. I have been involved in this
(mostly behind the scenes for the past few months) for a relative long time.
I was writing so much about these issues during last summer that web sites
were started around the materials being brought to light even though I never
posted documents on my own web site.




First some background. We know that the enemy is excellent at
counterintellegence. We know that the enemy specifically puts out cover
stories as they attempt to destroy out ability to fight back. In this case,
you will see that this event is a result of entrapment and propaganda to
neutralize two real assets in the fight for our freedom.

This happened several months ago as I became involved in the biochemical
warfare issues. We now know that their goals last summer were to gain
information about out communications and to discredit the few true Americans
fighting for our freedoms while installing false leaders to lead us astray.
The two biggest victims of this were Larry Harris and Peter Kawaja.

Because of current events, I must decloak and tell you what is really going on
because I can no longer keep silent even though I was just a couple of days
from helping in an initial exposure of one of their key stooges.

Let me give you the latest from the Headline News (CNN) report as of 5:00.

According the the story:

White Separatist Larry Wayne Harris and William Levitt were arrested in
possession of biohazardous materials possibly including anthrax. The two
men were testing the materials and had intended to use them in against
American targets in New York City.

FBI HazMat teams have been called in and sealed a White Mercedes believed to
contain the materials. They received a tip from a man in Las Vegas
indicating that Harris had bragged about his abilities with biological
weapons. [The man was most likely an undercover government operative. Larry
and William have concludeded EXACTLY WHO THIS PERSON IS! See below.] The
report further indicated that Harris was on probation on a federal charge
involving Bubonic Plague.

By 6:30, the story had changed. They were now "manufacturing and stockpiling
weapons." But there was no longer any current threat to New York City (I
guess they found out by then that he was scheduled to meet with HUNDREDS of
people in Florida TONIGHT so they knew the New York attack part of the story
would not wash. Also, inthe later story, it mentioned that Larry Harris had
written extensively about the "DANGERS OF BIOLOGICAL AGENTS". If you recall,
the detractors of Harris this summer used DOSING LEVELS of antibiotics as
their main attack point! Does this sound like someone out to hurt people or
help people survive?

Here folks are the FACTS.

THIS MUST BE SPREAD TO EVERYONE YOU CAN REACH.
THE CALL MUST BE GIVEN NOW.
WE ARE NOW IN A STATE OF WAR AND OUR SURVIVAL IS AT STAKE.

1. I stand on my reputation as being one who has put my life on the line and
stood against these evil demons time and time again and will continue to do
so. They can take me out but PLEASE have the courage to rise up and let them
know that the truth can not be suppressed and their lies will not be believed.
We need MASSIVE ACTION. I may be out of position to support or enlighten due
to my DIRECT INVOLVEMENT in this story.

LET ME REPEAT FOR THE ENEMY LISTENING POSTS:
I AM DIRECTLY INVOLVED. WHETHER YOU KNEW IT OR NOT, I
WAS ABOUT TO HELP EXPOSE ONE OR MORE OF YOU WHOM
THE "PATRIOTS" NOW CONSIDER
LEADERS IN THE BIOWARFARE FIELD, RIGHT BEFORE THAT
PERSON OR PERSONS WOULD BE
THRUST INTO THE LIMELIGHT AS PART OF A TEAM OF EXPERTS
ON THESE ISSUES WHEN
THE NWO WORKING THROUGH UNDERCOVER OPERATIVES BEGAN
THEIR FIRST RELEASE OF
BIOWARFARE AGENTS.

Our plan of exposure was was within days of
implementation. As am matter of fact, I was scheduled to meet with Harris and
others Saturday night at a Conference going on RIGHT NOW in Florida. The
plans were that Harris would be leaving today (Thursday afternoon) to fly to
Florida (not NEW YORK CITY) to speak at the Conference and meet with true
American experts in biowarfare which have gathered from all over the country
and some, even from foreign countries. We had not realized until news of the
arrest that the experiments had taken longer than expected and that Harris
would be delayed.

2. Larry Wayne Harris is not a crackpot, nor is he a White Separatist nor is
he a member of the Aryan Nation. Yes, he did attend a couple of their
meetings long ago. But I once went to a war protest in college, thought that
liberalism was a great idea and actually used some recreational drugs and YES,
I did inhale. HEY! Have you ever been to a meeting of a group you now
disagree with?

3. Larry Wayne Harris is not a sewer inspector or a well inspector or any of
the other things reported about him. As you may recall, I was practically his
only supporter on the Internet last summer. Larry is a fully qualified
microbiologist. When he was "caught" with the bubonic plaque last year, he
was working on treatments which could be readily available to the masses.

4. It is vital to distinguish the fact that Larry Harris is a RESEARCHER, not
a terrorist or a soldier in some wacko paramilitary organization. His
reasearch has clearly been aimed at saving lives, never in the direction of
using his knowledge to support the Conspiracy.

5. It is TRUE that Harris was finishing some experimentation on anthrax (See
details below from release from science conference in progress). Notice how
they always mix lies with truth, prove the true part and get the public to
swallow the lies, hook, line and sinker. However, the experiment was not on
how to SPREAD anthrax to kill people but to PREVENT anthrax from spreading to
save people.

6. The experiment was being done to prove to that the equipment discussed
below worked. (See details below)

7. The Iraqi strategy is and was nothing short of a cover to begin mass
extermination of people worldwide. Whether this plan will be fully
implemented depends on events as they are currently unfolding.

8. As you know, the enemy's plan is always to launch preliminary stages of
multiple strategies simultaneously. Then in the confusion ("order out of
chaos") they go with the one or ones which seem to be working best.





THIS JUST IN AT 6:50 DIRECT FROM
THE GLOBAL SCIENCE CONFERENCE IN FLORIDA:

At approximately 4:00 pm today at the Global Science Congress Conference In
Daytona Beach, FL, an announcement was made regarding Larry Wayne Harris. Mr.
Harris (Lancaster, OH) and William Levitt (Las Vegas, labs also in Frankfurt,
Germany) were arrested in Las Vegas, Nevada. The two men were in Las Vegas,
Nevada visiting Ron Rockwell for research purposes.

Ron Rockwell worked for Royal R. Rife and Crane in the 1960's and 970's. Mr.
Rockwell alllegedly was in possession of the original Rife microscope /
frequency generation equipment.

Mr. Levitt, a microbiologist also, is a true humanitarian and is very
concerned about the current biological situation throughout the world.

Levitt and Harris were in Las Vegas to test and research the Rife equipment
against several different pathogens, particularly anthrax. After the research
was completed, if the equipment proved to be effective, Mr. Levitt was ready
to purchase this equipment and make it available to the public for defense
against biological weapons.

Why these two men were arrested for this when in reality they were scheduled
to be at the Global Science Conference today to hopefully announce the
results of their research to HELP save the world, not destroy it is beyond
amazing. The "Powers that be" have been working for almost two years now
to "set up" and neutralize Mr. Harris and now we see the fruits of their
labor.

Other details to follow as they become available. Please make this
information available to your fellow Americans. The mass media will only
cover the government line on this.





LATEST UPDATE: Federal agents have just been at Larry's home in Lancaster
OH. They are most likely going to be using federal anti-terrorism laws
against him in this case.





COMMENT: THE FEDS CLEARLY DO NOT HAVE JURISDICTION. Larry is a Registered
Microbiologist despite any of propaganda released last summer. Any help on
how to get Harris free by fighting jurisdiciton would be highly appreciated.
Also, any help you can provide to Larry Harris and William Levitt
(especially strategic) would be highly appreciated. We hopefully have
gotten the word to Larry Harris by now to fight the jurisdictional issue and
not to enter a plea.

Please support the release of Larry Harris and and the exposure of yet another
conspiracy from those who would destroy our lives and take what is left of our
freedoms.


Terry W. Stough

From: TWStough@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:43:46 EST

P.S.: DUE TO TIME CRITICALITY, PLEASE DO NOT CALL JUST TO SEEK FURTHER
INFORMATION. I WILL RELEASE FUTHER INFORMATION AS IT BECOMES AVAILABLE.





FURTHER UPDATE: News just in from Larry Harris through his wife reveals that
Rockwell engineered a setup. It seems that Harris and Levitt did a taping for
a TV show about their experiments at a local Las Vegas TV station.

The experiments took longer than expected and Larry was going to be late
getting to the Conference. As best we can determine, Harris and Levitt left
their hotel room shortly after 9:00 last night and went to the lab. While at
the lab, according to Harris, Rockwell made a call which resulted in a swat
team surrounding the facility.

The reports of broken anthrax vials in the car are patently false. No one in
their right mind would drive around in a car with anthrax in the air.





FINAL NOTE: Well known conference attendees who are believed to be
knowledgeable and/or in agreement with the facts contained in this document:

Chip Tatum (Black Ops Reporter)
Ted Gunderson (ex-FBI)
Dr. Bob Beck (physicist -- developed colloidal silver generator)
Al Bielek (physisist - Philadelphia Experiment)

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a102438.htm



Adding my anthrax ping list.....
3,696 posted on 12/25/2003 8:24:18 AM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Cindy; Calpernia; JustPiper; LayoutGuru2
There appears to be a new issue of the Voice of Jihad out on the net. I'm still translating. Lots of rhetoric, which is predictable. I'll post more on this later today if anyone is interested.
3,697 posted on 12/25/2003 8:34:56 AM PST by StillProud2BeFree
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To: FairOpinion
Is this the article you were referring too?

http://www.sierratimes.com/02/06/24/arjj062402.htm

Las Vegas Terror Threat Update - An Interview with the Man Who Heard the Call
by J.J. & Nancy Johnson

FBI News Release, June 21, 2002:

"The FBI's investigation into the allegations made by Michael Hamdan is substantially complete. The remainder is expected to be concluded in the next several days. Results of the investigation to date do not substantiate these allegations and the FBI has determined that this information is not credible."

Yet Michael Hamdan, 54, is sticking to his story - that's why he spoke with The Sierra Times. It may turn out to be the most infamous phone call ever heard in Las Vegas.

Las Vegas Mayor, and alleged former Mob lawyer, Oscar Goodman, June 21, 2002:

"I'd like to whack this guy - would like to put my arms around his neck. He is a liar. Let him sue me."

The Las Vegas Review Journal article on Saturday sent us on a mission. We were determined to meet Michael Hamdan for several reasons:

1. The FBI said that the story was not credible but did not provide any reasons for this conclusion - as if somehow in the last two weeks the FBI itself has acquired the credibility to pass judgment. They have missed tips before.

2. The FBI mentioned a polygraph, but never stated that Mr. Hamdan had failed it. In typical government newspeak, they implied a connection and hoped their 8th grade reading level subjects would make that assumption.

3. Mr. Hamdan claimed that the FBI did not return his phone calls. This happened to us in 1996, in the aftermath of the pipe-bombing at the Olympics.

4. Mr. Hamdan was demonized by the local media. Due to our past experience, that was a clear red flag.

In short, we've seen this movie before.

The whole story seemed eerily similar to a scene out of "Jaws" -, where Mayor Larry Vaugh made the infamous policy: "It was only a boating accident. Please go in the water."

He's not credible. Please go to the gaming hall. But this year, if Hamdan is correct, the stakes will be a bit higher this holiday. Instead of casino chips, we may be gambling with people's lives. Remember: This is Vegas, where the house always wins.

This was the man who had gotten his '15 minutes of fame', from overhearing a phone call in Arabic on the Las Vegas strip about a possible terrorist strike on July 4th. Call it luck. Call it "the Grace of God." Call it an aberration. Heck, go ahead and even call it 'not credible.' But call Michael Hamdan, and get the whole story - no matter what. It was a silent 90 minute ride from Pahrump, Nevada to the Hamdan home in Henderson.

At issue: on one side, a naturalized American who thought he was doing his duty as an American; hearing what he thought was a threat, and getting the word out in the proper way. At a time when threats were reportedly made about hotels and fuel trucks, Hamdan felt this city - his city - may be in peril. After long reflection, he chose to act - knowing that his life may never be the same again.

On the other side: Millions, possible billions of dollars in hotel rentals, entertainment tickets, cab fares, air fares, and of course those dice and cards hitting those felt covered tables. All this on the world's most famous 3-mile strip of road in the world: Las Vegas Boulevard. The holiday is expected to bring vacationers from not only across the country, but from around the world.

This is Las Vegas - where the house always wins, and where city bosses don't need reports such as 'terrorist threats' that might be 'bad for business.'



e arranged an interview Sunday afternoon. Evidence of his 'credibility' became evident before we even arrived at the home. Michael Hamdan lives in a gated community in Henderson, Nevada, so beautifully manicured and green that the fine Nevada dust was blissfully absent. Even his garage floor was clean. The backyard contained a pool, and sits on the border of the golf course, the jewel of this Green Valley housing complex. No sooner did we pass the gate than I asked, "What would he need this for?" The inside of his home was equally well-appointed, and while not ostentatious, would surely be the envy of the average "Special Agent."

Hamdan's artistic taste: There was a Picasso print on the wall.

Michael Hamdan is an articulate retiree who emigrated lawfully from Beirut Lebanon in 1987. He had worked for IBM in the Gulf and later for Cartier. "My fame is my family," he told us, and his proudest moment was when he stood up in the Los Angeles convention center and took his oath of United States citizenship.

He pays his taxes, has the social security number; the whole nine yards.

We sat mesmerized while he described the last week of his life. It was a week that had turned a Real American into a sleepless, anxious man disappointed and frustrated and not knowing where to turn. It began Saturday, June 15, 2002 and ended on Saturday, June 21, 2002, when the FBI and Mayor Goodman declared Michael Hamdan "not credible." And this story is still not over yet. He wasted no time telling his story - a little more than what most other media dared to report. He gave us the timeline.

June 15: Hamdan is out running errands and stops at Good Guys, a huge music warehouse on West Sahara, about 4 miles west of the strip. He buys a small TV and orders a larger one, then leaves the store and turns right, south, on Las Vegas Boulevard (The Strip). Then, the familiar slow ride past world famous Casinos: The Rivera, Circus Circus, The Sahara, The Mirage, etc.. Planning to turn east on Tropicana Blvd., several miles south, Mr. Hamdan calls his wife - somewhere near "Treasure Island."

The cell phone is a new Seimens. It's one of those 'global types.' It'll work as well in London, Paris, Tokyo and Mecca - just as well as it does in Vegas. He has not had it long enough to program it so he hand dials his home number to call his wife. But he hears no click. Thinking he had not pressed the send button, he moves the phone away from his ear when he hear voices. The voices are speaking his native Arabic so he begins listening.

The words he hears make him freeze. It is pure Arabic, with no English and is one voice speaking to a second voice that keeps saying "Tayeb." Tayeb in Arabic means more than OK, it means acceptance or recommendation, "I got it."

"The first voice had a thick, harsh accent from the Gulf Region. It could have been from Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Abu Dabu or Iraq," Hamdan said firmly.

The exact words - words that affected room holiday reservations in Las Vegas were:

"We are in the city of corruption. We are in the city of gambling and prostitution. And they are talking about freedom. We are going to hit them on their day of freedom." He repeats this twice during 60-90 seconds.

"In the background, I heard more people, and another Arabic voice could be heard yelling, 'It's enough! Stop it! It's enough!'". Hamdan implies that someone realized that his loud mouth associate was spilling the beans over a cell phone.

Mr. Hamdan was frozen in fear and began to sweat.

"The voices were not from the street," Hamdan reported, "they were highly educated... using formal words." He told us that the city of corruption was "Medinat el Fasad" in Arabic. It sounded like one guy was reporting and making a statement and the other man was taking it.

The phone goes dead. Mr. Hamdan continues to drive and arrives home. His wife asks him if he is alright, and notices that he looks pale, but he is too disturbed by the call to speak even to her. Later that evening, he finally shares with her what had happened.

The frightened couple does not know whether to call the police, FBI, or media. Hamdan is concerned for his family's safety. At two in the morning, his conscious prevails over his concern for safety "If God forbid, something happens," Hamdan said, "I could never live with myself."

June 16th: 2 a.m. Hamdan speaks with an FBI operator and asks to speak with anyone with authority about serous information. He does not provide the nature of that information, just states that it's valuable. No return call is received from the FBI. This is Sunday morning.

12:00 p.m. No sleep. Could happen when you've overheard that the city you've made your home may be a "Jihad Target." Hamdan again calls the FBI and speaks to a different operator. She says, "I do not see your name." This time, because the operator is very professional and claims to have 14 years experience with the FBI, he tells her what had happened - in detail. The operator takes his report and tells him that they would find an agent immediately to call back.

He waits.

And waits.

Nobody ever calls.

Monday, June 17: Ditto - Nobody calls, according to Hamdan.

Tuesday, June 18: Hamdan begins to call the local media, including Channel 8 (CBS) Channel 3(NBC), and Channel 13 (ABC). He believes that Channel 8 and 3, which interviewed him, called the FBI. He also calls Mayor Goodman's office. He receives a return call from a Ms. Perez - of the mayor's office.

"I understand how the wheel of justice is sometimes slow," he said. "I thought telling the media might speed things up a bit."

Oh, it did alright.

The FBI finally returns Mr. Hamdan's now three-day-old phone call. They want to go through everything. "I have nothing to hide," he tells them and agrees to come to the FBI office the following day.

Wednesday, June 19: Hamdan leaves two messages with Ms. Perez of the Mayor's Office - without a response.

Hamdan meets with two male agents in a small room at the FBI and describes the intercepted call. They ask him to produce the AT&T wireless records and he agrees. They ask him to ask Channels 3 and 8 to hold the story for 24 hours. Channel 3 airs it that night, anyway.

June 20: George Knapp of Channel 3 interviews Hamdan at 11:00 am in front of Treasure Island and airs this at 6:00 p.m. Thursday. The Sierra Times releases the story at 6:50 p.m. and it takes off from there. The Associated Press releases the story at 8:05 p.m. The networks, Fox, CNN, CBS follow suit. The media feeding frenzy is on.

The FBI calls and asks Hamdan to take a polygraph on Monday. Fifteen minutes later (perhaps after Washington read someone the riot act) they ask him to do it tomorrow, Friday.

June 21: Hamdan appears on CBS "The Early Show" and is picked up at 3 a.m. by a limo. He attempts to delay the polygraph because he is exhausted but the FBI refuses to change the appointment. "We know you've been busy," the agent sneers. He does not mention this during the interview, but he also misses the local morning radio talk show (KXNT - AM 840) for the same reason. The morning hosts made mention of this while we were driving to his home Sunday. Instead of getting any more media, Hamdan would finally get to do what he's been wanting all week - get all the facts on the table with the FBI, and get rid of those annoying cameras and microphones.

On the morning of June 21, 2002, he is met at the FBI front door by...

...a throng of media.

Who tipped them off? Who knows, but it sure wasn't Hamdan. He just wanted to get it over with.

Hamdan is only asked a series of numbers and eight verbal questions, and is not directed to lie in response to any of them. In a polygraph examination, "the machine must be calibrated," an anonymous source told us. The source, who had been subjected to FBI polygraphs as part of his own security clearance for ten years, explained that the calibration should be done with a simple question like the color of the subjects shirt. However, in the 1996 Georgia federal trial of U.S. v. Gilliard, the federal government presented the testimony of Thomas F. Lewis, II, a Supervisory Special Agent with the FBI since 1976. Special Agent Lewis testified under oath that the FBI does not recognize any of the directed lie techniques.

First, Mr. Hamdan is asked to choose a number from one to ten, then cards are shown to him and he is asked if he had picked 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. He truthfully responded as to which number he picked and which he did not. He was then asks a series of questions culminating with, "Did you hear a conversation on your cell phone regarding what you told us?"

Michael Hamdan did not lie in response to any of them. He was never asked to lie in response.

Hamdan spent four and one half hours at the FBI office.

The test was given three times, and between every set of questions the examiner came from behind Hamdan and took off the blood pressure cuff, spoke with him for awhile and then replaced it. S.A. Lewis testified that the issue of talking between tests causes him some concern. [Id.] He was exhausted and was suffering from recent cataract surgery the entire day.

When the test was over, the examiner told him that on only one question was there 5% uncertainty, meaning only 5% chance of a lie. Hamdan was told that they were going to stop the investigation concerning his claim but would 'be alert.' The FBI's only statement concerning the information that they were given:

"The FBI's investigation into the allegations made by Michael Hamdan is substantially complete. The remainder is expected to be concluded in the next several days. Results of the investigation to date do not substantiate these allegations and the FBI has determined that this information is not credible."

The AT& T records found no call from Hamdan's phone. This, however, supports his story as the intercept apparently prevented his call to home from going through. But this is a 'global' phone, leaving one to speculate that the overheard call was a call made to somewhere - on the other side of the globe.

But again, that's just speculation.

Hamdan told us "I was concerned for my family, but never felt afraid. I cannot feel afraid in my country, in my city. They should be afraid, they are hiding. They are afraid because they are hiding and they are hiding because they are cowards." His 4th of July plans include a barbeque and hopefully, watching fireworks later that night - in peace.

And in spite of the results, Hamdan would come forward again, "You bet your life. Every American should do it." Despite the media assault that greeted him in the morning paper the next day, his resolve is clear: "I hope no one else will be afraid to come forward with information," was his parting hope.

The leaves us with a man who could have simply purchased a TV ad to get fame, putting his reputation and good name on the line to report what he overheard in a phone call about a possible strike on Las Vegas this July 4th; calling the proper authorities; only to get a return call after the story hits the media; a questionable polygraph test, and a conclusion that "his information is not credible," some of the most vicious verbal assaults ever heard from a Mayor; concluding with what could only be described as a 'hit piece' in the Saturday paper to close out the week.

And this Real American - Michael Hamdan is sticking to his story. Is he telling the truth? You decide.

And if what he says he has heard is true, the gambling 'mecca' of the world could in for a day where the house looses.

To the FBI, this is a closed matter. But to many others, this story has only just begun. Stay tuned…




3,698 posted on 12/25/2003 8:42:07 AM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: FairOpinion; piasa
The article I just posted about him specifically says the FBI left it open and assumptive that he didn't pass a lie detector test BUT declined to answer directly.
3,699 posted on 12/25/2003 8:44:51 AM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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>>>I was referring to US domestic terror cells... which have NOT targetted malls (unless local law enforcement have interdicted and the story hasn't been told).

Bones, wasn't the Washington Mall on fire 9/11? To be honest, I don't know what the Washington Mall is; but I thought that was hit on 9/11.
3,700 posted on 12/25/2003 8:51:19 AM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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