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1 posted on 08/19/2025 7:11:19 AM PDT by Red Badger
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I guess it's possible to have tons of cameras with no video footage. Keep in mind that this was 30 years ago, and a lot of video recordings were writing to tape. This was long before it was normal to immediately transmit electronically the security video to offsite storage. So if the VHS recorder banks were destroyed in the explosion, there may be no video.

Or it could be a cover-up as the article says.

2 posted on 08/19/2025 7:17:53 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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From the article: "...then faked the scene to look like a suicide."

Seems there might be a theme here.

3 posted on 08/19/2025 7:20:00 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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Red, there was a book called “The Third Terrorist: The Middle East Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing” by Jayna Davis. She was an investigative reporter for KFOR-TV in Oklahoma City and covered the bombing in 1995. I heard her speak once and it appears that the Feds shut her down. She said that Bill Clinton personally shut it down. I highly recommend that you read it, if there are any copies still available if you can find them.


4 posted on 08/19/2025 7:20:34 AM PDT by silent majority rising (When it is dark enough, men see the stars. Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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My main (indeed, only) question with the “two men got out of truck” claim, is why would Timothy McVeigh cover up for a federal agent?

He was given the needle and had nothing to lose (presumably) and plenty of reason to point the finger at a fed.

The only thing I can think of is, he was threatened that, if he talked, something would happen to a loved one.


7 posted on 08/19/2025 7:25:22 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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If the FBI and DOJ’s lips are moving...


8 posted on 08/19/2025 7:26:43 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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JFK, MLK, RFK, Tonkin Gulf, Waco, Ruby Ridge, OKC, TWA 800, Epstein, J6, Russian hoax, UFOs — plenty more, I’m sure.

The government just plays us for fools.

We all know we’re not a democracy. But I have a hard time calling us a republic because the government doesn’t really seem restricted by the constitution, by laws, or regulations. Hidden people play a tune, and We The People dance.


11 posted on 08/19/2025 7:30:59 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The list of things I no longer care about is long. And it's getting longer.)
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Anybody else notice how many old “questionable” government law enforcement events are coming out since Trump was elected.

It’s almost as though people started saying, “maybe now this will get a fair hearing.”

I’m looking forward to getting to the bottom of the Seth Rich thingee.

Best president ever!


12 posted on 08/19/2025 7:31:05 AM PDT by cuban leaf (2024 is going to be one for the history books, like 1939. And 2025 will be more so, like 1940-1945.)
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Yeah, the FIB ripped out the security cameras because that's where the images are stored...

What a crock.

19 posted on 08/19/2025 7:33:59 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary?)
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A friend of mine, who was a retired federal agent claimed there was lots of video tape from the Oklahoma City Bombing which was obtained by the FBI and suppressed.

My friend claimed I was overly skeptical of “conspiracy theories” because I was not personally involved in them. He said he was personally involved in numerous conspiracies as an intelligence operative.


21 posted on 08/19/2025 7:37:32 AM PDT by marktwain
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Given the number of lies that We The People have been told numerous times, the mendacity here is very likely . In fact, given what we know we don’t know, assuming the Deep State is complicit in any crime is logical.

But I don’t know anything.


22 posted on 08/19/2025 7:38:54 AM PDT by drSteve78 ( Older Je suis Deplorable. Even more so )
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This takes us back to the birth of FR!!

IIRC there were two or three investigative journalists who made tremendous work. One of them has already been mentioned in this thread: Jayna Davis. She was looking into the case of the John Doe #2 and the possible connections to terrorism from the Middle East.

Another one was Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, the US correspondent for the Daily Telegraph, London. He was more interested in the FBI-track.

Here is a piece from 1997 by AEP:

https://www.comeandtakeit.com/okc1.html


25 posted on 08/19/2025 7:43:46 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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The presence of cameras on the Murrah building would also significantly undermine the credibility of the United States government and its many assertions in courts for a generation that there were no such cameras and no footage of the bombing.

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A big assumption or leap is being made here though.

This is the 1990s we are talking about.
While much of the private sector did not have security cameras yet, it would have suprised me if a federal building did not have security cameras.

So in that regard, I am not surprised at all that they have evidence of cameras on site.

BUT... here is the leap:
You should assume there is ‘footage’ to be viewed.
I would say that there is a fairly decent chance that closed circuit video had recording systems, but that is still a leap to a conclusion that is not in any way close to being assumable.

Many security systems were put in for live screening. They were for the purpose of security personal for being able to put eyes on the the property.

Even if there had been a recording system in place, there is also no reason to assume that it was recoverable after the explosion or even that it was operational at the time of the event


34 posted on 08/19/2025 8:03:26 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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The government is liars.


36 posted on 08/19/2025 8:04:05 AM PDT by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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There is no doubt a huge coverup occurred. So sad and people wonder why corrupt government must pay so many with “aid”. It is the only way it can survive.


37 posted on 08/19/2025 8:05:24 AM PDT by Racketeer
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"...where federal authorities claimed the “tapes were being changed out” at that moment."

Now where have I heard that excuse lately?....

40 posted on 08/19/2025 8:14:05 AM PDT by Hatteras
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I seem to recall a Dem talking point from the time — blaming Rush Limbaugh for stirring up “hate”.


41 posted on 08/19/2025 8:15:53 AM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along.)
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The footage was reportedly held closely by federal agents, and showed two conspirators exiting the truck...

Conspirators or federal agents?

44 posted on 08/19/2025 8:19:59 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Kamala defines herself in just 4 words..."Nothing comes to mind.")
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To: Red Badger; Chode; Salamander; Carriage Hill; SkyDancer; Lockbox; MtnClimber; Equine1952; ...

The fedz BLEW UP THEIR OWN BUILDING, ON PURPOSE TO TRY TO MAKE A CASE FOR MORE CONTROL ON THE 2nd Amendment of The Constitution of the United States of America. Trying to put the blame on it being retribution for THE MURDER OF THE Branch Davidian’s at Mt. Carmel (what just about everyone calls Waco) for allegedly having a delivery of Live Grenades that were ACTUALLY DeMilled Grenades and Full Auto Weapons that were not. The last I heard was that the Alleged Full Auto Weapons were locked up in the TXDPS Vault in Austin with orders that they were to stay there with NO ACCESS BY ANYONE. The X-Rays showed WERE NOT FULL AUTO. And the Front Doors (that have more INCOMING Bullet Holes than OUTGOING Holes.) that were also there under the same orders.

Then there’s also the question of:

If the alleged truck bomb did ALL OF THE DAMAGE TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING THEN WHY WAS THE HOLE IN THE STREET NOT OF SIMILAR SIZE/DAMAGE TO THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET ???


45 posted on 08/19/2025 8:20:02 AM PDT by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! I’m a fraud, hypocrite & liar. I'm a member of Congress!! C)
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FBI: Our secrets are more valuable than the lives of your loved ones.


46 posted on 08/19/2025 8:22:14 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Time to dump out the Treasury drawer and throw out all the junk that is wasting our money.)
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I’ve read the Hillary Whitewater documents were in that building. True?


48 posted on 08/19/2025 8:24:02 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️ LIFE )
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