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Posted on 08/18/2025 12:51:34 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell
I often read on Free Republic that Canada's new prime minister, Mark Carney, is using a false narrative of an American desire to annex Canada as a method for gaining support in Canada against what was before Justin Trudeau's departure a near-certain change of government.
My opinion is that there is indeed a real desire in corridors of power in Washington DC, a plan to annex Canada or force Canadian provinces one by one to choose the option of seeking statehood as their citizens come to the conclusion that Canada is incapable of meeting their economic basic needs.
To some extent this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Trump administration places enough economic pressure on Canada to weaken the national economy, one by one (starting with Alberta and Saskatchewan) longer-term grievances come to a critical mass and their residents decide through already-extant political processes to seek either independence or U.S. statehood.
President Trump gave the game away with his comments about Canada being potentially a cherished 51st state, with Justin Trudeau its governor. Combined with insulting narratives about Canada having nothing that the U.S. wants or needs, and the whipping up through color-revolution strategies (directed most likely from parallel non-governmental offices in the Washington DC area) of anti-Canadian sentiments, two objectives are met. First, predictably, there will be massive Canadian dislike for Trump and his administration. This will induce a political reaction, as it did in the April election, to stay with the doomed globalist experiment under the Liberals, avoiding a more skilled and nuanced response that would likely come from the Conservatives.
It has further weakened Canada politically that the Conservative leader, unable to hold back the Liberal tide in April, lost his own seat and is thereby distracted by concerns about winning a by-election in what was supposed to be a safe seat in Alberta (in coming weeks). This byelection is giving Albertans a chance to register a third option vote and also to give an updated opinion on how Carney is responding to the threat.
Make no mistake, fellow FR members, your reporter here is certainly a pro-Trump, pro-MAGA individual personally and would probably be delighted (unlike 95% of my fellow citizens) if there were to be political union in the future between the USA and Canada. If it were within my power to do so, I would lead a political movement in that direction (nobody active in politics in Canada today has a good word to say about it). But as I say, make no mistake ... 95% or perhaps closer to 99% of Canadians want nothing to do with political union. There are three reasons for this:
1. Anyone who might be in favor of political union would likely be, like myself, a libertarian conservative with favorable views of Trump and MAGA. But they realistically understand that for Canada to enter union with the United States would further enhance the prospects of Democrat return to power, and in any case, we would be further behind to be swept up into a globalist America than we are in a globalist Canada. At the very best, it would be a no-win situation. Where such people exist, mainly in western Canada, independence is therefore seen as a better option, figuring that an independent western Canada would have a better chance of remaining anti-globalist.
2. More widely, Canadians figure that as citizens of the United States, they would continue to be looked down upon South Park style, and nobody wants to give up their sovereignty to become a regional have-not minority. Related to this, there would be questions about what rights Canadians would actually have as American citizens, would they gain full rights or would there be a period of partial second-class treatment? Canadians generally expect that they would be treated like dirt (not cherished as Trump stated) and exposed to all sorts of baseless prejudices of which there has been no shortage of examples here on FR (Canadians are retarded, Canadians do not tip, Canadians are stupid, Canadians are grifters, etc etc). None of these prejudices have any basis in fact and can be easily disproved. But unfortunately there is a triumphalist element to MAGA and it has whipped up the lowest common denominator of what people used to call the ugly American syndrome.
(and that introduces a paradox, Trump made political gains by promising to be less involved in imperial neo-con militaristic movements, yet here is an obvious attempt to annex a neighbor country and I often read statements here about how Canada must follow the orders of their superiors in Washington DC. Can you imagine how that plays here? In 1776, or 1814, if I were to post on a hypothetical internet, the Colonies should listen to their natural masters in London, how would you view that? This is how we view your pronouncements)
3. It is widely believed in Canada that political union would result in a shift in economic control from our own centres of power to American centres of power such as New York City, Houston, Dallas, California, etc, and Canadians would be gradually reduced to second-class status in all aspects of daily life -- all we need to do to assess this is to look at how things unfold in border states relative to centres of power. There is a noticeable reduction in standard of living on the U.S. side of our common border, you may not realize it, but it's obvious driving south into the U.S.A. that the standard of living is 25% or more lower than we have on our side of the border. That would of course quickly become similar once the border meant nothing.
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Now, where is this annexation strategy coming from? Is it something Donald Trump always wanted to do. I believe not. I don't think Canada was ever on Donald Trump's personal radar at all. There are political forces in the conservative portion of American politics that existed before Trump came down the escalator in 2015 to enter politics. Those forces are triumphalist (America is wonderful, Canada is terrible), and vengeful (Canada participated in the pro-Obama globalist campaign to weaken America). I get that part. I didn't like it myself and frankly, I am no great defender of Canada, the country has treated me personally like a leper on the basis of my own non-Canadian origins (born in England, not a good thing) and my Christian beliefs (stated in public, not a good thing). Parts of me would be delighted to see Canada humiliated on the world stage, I fully agree with sentiments I read about Canadians thinking they are special. Of course special just means different for a good reason. So it's half true, because Canadians are different for a bad reason (to advance socialism).
Trust me on this, you would not get the result the think tank triumphalists think they will get, if you absorb Canada. Canadians are very cunning people and very skilled at fitting into difficult situations (note our national sport, an obvious example). My prediction is that a merged USA-Canada would look more like Canada than they (or you) might expect, after a generation or two. And this is because Canadians would infiltrate your power structures and without changing their own values would begin to project those values out. It would not be a perfect victory, but ironically, if America thinks it can take over Canada, the only way for Canada to take over America is for America to do just that.
Comprende amigos? I hope so.
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When the last of the rump-British empire collapses, Canada, which is still under its control, will collapse with it.
The USA will be there to pick up the pieces.
The globalists have long plotted for a “North American Union”, like the EU, on a path toward global government.
I don’t want my government to focus on meeting anyone’s “needs.” I want it to focus on creating and protecting an environment of liberty and self determination in which the people can meet their own needs.
Nunavut might be the only thing that remains of Canada as it becomes a colony of China and India.
Ironic that you don’t have time for idiots, given what you have just posted.
Why would we annex Canada with no plan to eliminate their leftist voters? It would be SUICIDE for the USA.
Author sounds a bit ‘triumphalist’ himself - most Americans don’t give a cr*p about Canada, and don’t think about it even on a weekly basis.
LOL!
Would uniting with Canada mean we would have to change to kilometers and Celsius, and have to say "eh" at the end of every sentence (to make them feel welcome)?
I think the War of 1812 killed any sentiment in British Canada for becoming part of the US. Of course some of them were Loyalists who had left because of the American Revolution, but others were Americans who had moved into Upper Canada for farms.
Having all of Canada as one state would be ridiculous--more land area than all 50 states combined.
The average income in the US is higher than in Canada so I am doubtful about the claim that the parts of the US just south of the border are poorer than the parts of Canada just north of the border.
Canada should form a military.
Not all Canadians are looked down upon. Only the French Canadians.😁
Per the Scotians, the British should have kept going all the way to the Pacific in driving the French out.
The extra economic and political pressure Trump is exerting in pursuing American goals is simply bringing out the existing fault lines in Canadian politics.
That freeloading, especially in defense, will simply no longer be tolerated: if Canada is incapable or unwilling to defend its vast Arctic territories the US will act to do so regardless of claims of Canadian sovereignty. The same is true for Greenland.
My opinion is that there is indeed a real desire in corridors of power in Washington DC, a plan to annex Canada or force Canadian provinces one by one to choose the option of seeking statehood as their citizens come to the conclusion that Canada is incapable of meeting their economic basic needs.
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I stopped reading there.
I have met and talked to enough Canadians to know that they would NOT give up their socialist ideals nor their strange but powerful combination of contempt and chip-on-shoulder feelings about the United States. At least the Ontarion variety of Canadians, anyway. Falling on some economic turmoil would not be enough.
There may be some differently minded Canadians in the western provinces, but even of that I am skeptical.
Two or three decades ago, I think British Columbians would have entertained the idea of joining America, and there was talk of it around the same time Quebec was seriously trying for secessionist independence.
Since then, BC became infected with the same west-coast leftism disease that spread from California all the way up to Washington.
But Greenland? Annex -- definitely annex. Territory or protectorate also acceptable.
Canada had a host of behaviors not characteristic of an ally. Trump knew three of the four Western provinces were extremely unhappy. Quebec is always unhappy. Destabilize federal Canada and get the Western provinces to form an energy and mineral cartel with the US, and maybe Mexico.
Canada has had it coming. Trump gave it to Carney.
If they could get BC to join them they could have a fine country. Or Manitoba would probably be more realistic.
I’ll take this seriously after Puerto Rico and DC get statehood.
My opinion is that there is indeed a real desire in corridors of power in Washington DC, a plan to annex Canada or force Canadian provinces one by one to choose the option of seeking statehood as their citizens come to the conclusion that Canada is incapable of meeting their economic basic needs.
The only reason for the establishment wanting Canada’s resources is to shut using them down. They have been trying to shut the US resources down.
LOL.
Not going to happen.
Willing to wager whatever.
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