Posted on 07/13/2025 8:18:51 PM PDT by Macho MAGA Man
Friday night, while speaking in front of a live audience at a Turning Point USA event in Tampa, Florida, Carlson came to a conclusion.
He boldly said he believes foreign intelligence was behind the Epstein blackmail operation.
But which country?
SPOILER ALERT: He named Israel.
And he confidently asserted that if they were involved, they must have also bankrolled his crimes.
“I think the real answer is Jeffrey Epstein was working on behalf of intel services, probably not American, Carlson said.
“And we have every right to ask on whose behalf was he working? How does a guy go from being a math teacher at the Dalton School in the late 70s with no college degree to having multiple airplanes, a private island, and the largest residential house in Manhattan? Where did all the money come from?” Carlson asked.
Then came the big claim.
“And no one has ever gotten to the bottom of that because no one has ever tried. And moreover, it’s extremely obvious to anyone who watches that this guy had direct connections to a foreign government. Now, no one’s allowed to say that that foreign government is ISRAEL because we have been somehow cowed into thinking that that’s naughty,” Carlson said.
“There is nothing wrong with saying that,” Carlson continued. “There is nothing hateful about saying that. There's nothing anti-Semitic about saying. There's nothing even anti-Israel about saying that.
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They have been alleging for some time now that Netanyahu is going to be exposed and that a lot of what we have fed about the middle east is an Israeli fabrication going back decades. Even stating that Israel LET Oct 7th happen so that they could have the excuse to invade Gaza.
DoodleBob, I agree with much of the dynamic you described (so I my post is not a criticism of that, per se) but I don’t agree that using the strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities is the best example of that.
Many people I know have been personally consistent over the years in my stance against allowing Iran to acquire nuclear weaponry even if I haven’t been advocating taking action against them at every point in the last 45 years.
That is because of the nature of those types of actions, which don’t lend themselves to snap-rendered plans, can too easily go sideways. If the US had to take 15 years to plan this and wait for the right time to take action, I would have been onboard with that.
If anything, I have expended a great deal of mental time and effort to shed my Cold War mentality and accept that the United States can no longer play the role of the “World’s Policeman” (and that is inclusive of the fact that there were times since WWII we played that role when we shouldn’t have, and there are times we played that role poorly.)
But I had to change my stance on that. As someone who grew up in a military family during the height of the Cold War and served myself as well during that same time frame, that was not an easy thing for me to do.
But the greatest threat to our country at this time is our looming financial insolvency. And all the issues of the day, Open Borders, Military Readiness, Inflation, Infrastructure degradation, Wokeness, Education, Industry, all of them hinge on our financial solvency. If we become financially insolvent, this country will disintegrate.
Obviously, spending money to address various things such as illegal immigration and military readiness will have financial benefits (not paying for services for illegals and deterring foreign aggression via enhanced readiness) so we can’t just ignore them on a back burner, but everything must be viewed through that prism of national debt.
So, in altering my own stance on, based on our debt crisis, we cannot get involved in things that we otherwise might have in the past since WWII, right or wrong. In this example, Ukraine falls into that category.
And in that light, while everything else must go on on the back burner (relatively speaking) even temporarily to address the issues that will, if unchecked, result in our insolvency, I have never regarded the issue of Iran with nuclear weapons as one of those we can put on the “back burner”.
Too many people use the term “existential threat” to describe various things, but the vast majority of them (MOST especially, Leftists) have no idea what that means. A country that possesses nuclear weaponry and says publicly and often (AS GOVERNMENT POLICY) that it will destroy you, that raises money to assassinate your President, and is and has been and continues to be directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of American citizens...THAT is an “existential threat”.
And I didn’t need rationale like “the govt of Iran is atrocious, 444 days, $100bn of banknotes”, etc. to define it as a threat that needed to be addressed, IOW, an “existential threat”.
The point that I make is that while you are correct that there are (in my opinion) provocateurs on this (and other websites) website, there are many people who are not simply reacting to influencing actions, but have long held and deeply felt opinions on various issues, and I don’t believe Iranian nuclear weaponry should be included in that.
In the end, I view being right as far more important than being consistent, most especially in cases like Iranian nuclear weaponry.
I don’t know that I ever took Tucker seriously. On the other hand, he does interview some interesting people. I’m coming to the conclusion that they tell at most half of the story. Still valuable as it may be the missing piece.
I did not say I believed that they let Oct 7th happen.
That is one of the conspiracies presented by that particular blog site.
They always seem to have their own spin on all things.
Yes, the severity of the events of Oct 7th needed to have a severe response.
Also, Israel and their Prime Minister are NOT our friends.
They are allies.
They are rightly so going to do and take actions that they believe is in the BEST INTERESTS of Israel. Which MAY coincide with the interests of the USA.
I did not mean to imply that you believed that. I do agree with everything that followed: both the US and Israel must seek out her own interests. We cannot unilaterally commit each other to a course of action.
The thing with October 7th is people do not understand how surveillance technologies have advanced over the last 60-80 years. They classified an entire area of basic physics to hide it, to this day there is no research into scalar waves. They can do what is like an MRI now over vast areas, even a block of a city, and see everything going on in it.
Then you add in the big secret, which is the extent to which these agencies ID people willing to do surveillance on everyone around them, and assemble massive civilian networks of surveillance, with someone on each corner, and all operational groups, or potentially operation groups of people infiltrated.
I ran into US domestic surveillance, which is on par with Israel, and looks like it might even be controlled by them the way Israel gets unrestricted access to NSA datafeeds on American civilians. There is no way October 7th happened, and nobody knew it was coming.
Intelligence is rapidly splintering from regular society. From the ground surveillance in your neighborhood which watches everyone there, even listening in their homes in America, to the elites, they are becoming like a nation unto themselves, and they are hostile to regular citizens who just want freedom from them. I can attest to that firsthand.
If the truth ever comes out, Israel will find elites in Israeli intel and the Hamas billionaires scripted Oct 7th to a degree nobody would believe, shut down all the young IDF intel who reported anomalies, shut down Shin Bet and Mossad officers who reported something was wrong, and even moved the Nova music festival from the arena in Tel Aviv it was supposed to happen at to that desert, where Hamas was coming through, to get innocent girls killed and kidnapped.
The real war in the world, including Israel, will be between intelligence, which is like a subspecies of psychopaths you cannot share a planet with, and regular people.
I work on the storage end of things, and although I have no connection whatsoever with government intelligence agencies of any kind, I do know that the capacity to collect information and the ability to absorb, coordinate, and act on it on VERY different things. I have heard from IT friends with different jobs that while CARNIVORE (or whatever it was renamed) stores almost everything that gets transmitted over wire, and stored, they are literally years behind in filtering and analyzing. I am sure if you get the attention of the Eye of Sauron, it can be accelerated on an ad hoc basis, and AI MAY make things more efficient (or just add another layer of complexity), it isn’t quite 1984 yet, at least not in Real Time.
I do not know enough about Netanyahu to say if he is good or bad. Given he is a politician, he might just be lik ean actor occupying the office as forces more powerful than him control events. But I have seen surveillance up close in the US, from technology so advanced you could mistake it for supernatural forces, to the extensive civilian informant networks which permeate everywhere.
I would say it is a 100% probability top level Israeli intel knew what was coming and let it happen, and based on seeing how politics works at the higher levels, it is probably 97% those elite Israeli intel who knew actually organized it with the billionaire leaders of Hamas in their Dubai penthouses. All those girls at the music festival would be like ants to them, and totally disposable.
I am even suspicious there is a level above both of them, which both of them answer to.
AI still has a lot of bugs for sure.
We are probably five years or so before it becomes truly dangerous to our liberties.
It gets worse. I have seen domestic surveillance in the US. It is built up like the old East German Stasi, even down to people on street corners, and neighbors listening in houses of neighbors with elite level tech, and units assigned to schools to track any geniuses at the schools, lest they become a threat.
I have seen it going on fifteen years, and can say, 100%, there is zero chance those hijackers landed in communities, had a place to lay their heads, and the surveillance unit assigned to that sector where they were laying their heads did not look at them close enough to know what was coming and pass it up to command. Everyone has a file, and anyone who looks the least bit interesting gets the full package until the local commander is satisfied that either they are entirely uninteresting, or they know all of the interesting things about them.
You will find the US government intel community knew Sept 11th was coming. And let it happen.
https://carolineglick.com/aharon-haliva-has-got-to-go-now/
...At 4 a.m. on Oct. 7, due to warnings of increased Hamas movement near the border fence, the senior security leadership, including IDF Chief of General Staff Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevy, Shin Bet Director Ronen Bar, Southern Command Commander Maj. Gen. Yaron Finkelman and Haliva’s assistant (Haliva was apparently asleep), discussed the movements and decided to go back to bed.
Bar sent a small team of fighters to the border area, but that was all.
The group didn’t inform the Gaza division commander, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu or Defense Minister Yoav Gallant.
Instead, they agreed to speak again at 8 a.m. Hamas invaded at 6:30...
SOME: New York members of the U.S. Congress, of the New York legislators, plus federal and state district attorneys / attorneys general, plus various law enforcement agents <— involved, looking the other way, hiding evidence, quashing pursuit.
That last part there? That is my interest. Finding the bad representives of “law and order.”
Today, July 15, 2025:
GAO, Grassley: Biden Admin Hid Trump Threat Intel
Newsmax ^ | July 15, 2025 | Eric MackFormer President Joe Biden's U.S. Secret Service received a credible threat on President Donald Trump's life 10 days before last July 13's Butler, Pennsylvania rally, but chose to leave the assigned details for Trump and the rally in the dark.
See tagline.
As always, thank you and, as always, solid.
Not to be too jocular out of the gate, but if I hear “existential threat” one more time I’ll puke. That ranks up there with “game changer” and “broke the internet” and “decimated.” Grow up kids.
But I digress..
The crux of our disagreement is whether or not it is “acceptable” to attack….
“A country that possesses nuclear weaponry and says publicly and often (AS GOVERNMENT POLICY) that it will destroy you, that raises money to assassinate your President, and is and has been and continues to be directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of American citizens”
A few things before addressing the matter directly:
-I know there are hundreds of Americans whose deaths are attributed to Iran - https://www.foxnews.com/world/irans-forever-war-against-us-regime-has-targeted-killed-americans-worldwide. Where are the thousands? Honestly, I’m not being flip - I really want to know if I’m missing something.
-on possessing nuclear weaponry….I don’t believe Iran had ‘em. Yes, they were close, but no cigar.
All that said, to pursue the truth, I’ll agree that Iran is responsible for hundreds of Americans’ deaths and was, at least, close to being a nuclear country.
My stance is that it is immoral to initiate aggression. Self-defense is ALWAYS permissible. But bombing a country that isn’t at war with us? No. I’m guided here by St. Thomas Aquinas. https://battlezone.my/thomas-aquinas-and-just-war/. https://www.newadvent.org/summa/3040.htm Your mileage may vary.
Once you open the door to initiating aggression for one, very bad nation, then there is very little to stop some warmonger from hitting many countries. To wit: the heinous list of Iran’s sins also apply, in part, to Pakistan, North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, and Russia. By extension, if it’s ok to bomb Iran, we can bomb them.
Now, I’m not too daft…an airstrike here or there today could avoid a massive problem tomorrow. And out of all the nations I listed, NK and Iran probably can’t fight back equally. And they are both run by despotic rulers. It’s alluring.
I just can’t get comfortable with being a little sinful. And I get that you’re not a warmonger. And thank you for protecting my right to sound off.
Parenthetically, the debt problem is solvable - https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3944410/posts.
Thanks for listening.
I understand you feel differently about this, and I also understand your rationale.
When I use the term “existential threat” I do so with the full knowledge of what that term really means, unlike the domestic enemies of our country (the American Left) who use it to describe anything from men being disallowed in women’s sports to the shuttering of USAID.
I don’t use the term frivolously.
In this context (nuclear weapons in the hands of the Iranians) I believe it is legitimate use of the term, because if they have nuclear weapons, they are eventually going to use them.
And once that happens, whether it is against us or any other country, that is going to go sideways in unpredictable ways.
I just picked a number of deaths out of a hat, and in my mind, even a small number would have been enough justification for me, but since 1979, they have openly murdered 241 in the bombing of the USMC barracks in Beirut, they killed 19 in the Khobar Towers, and in Iraq alone, Iran has been found to be directly culpable for the deaths of 603 military personnel in Iraq. between 2003 and 2011, and enough proof was provided to convince courts to confirm those Iraq and Afghanistan number. And I didn’t include our eight personnel who died in Operation Eagle Claw or the death of Navy Diver Robert Stethem, murdered and thrown onto the tarmac by Hezbollah.
I also consider all the American men injured and crippled in these various attacks perpetrated by Iran directly via their proxies who didn’t die in those attacks but live on as amputees, paraplegics or quadriplegics as well at the ones who are sentenced to live in a vegetative state for the rest of their lives.
As for Iranians having or not having nuclear weapons, unchecked, they were going to get them, and that is unquestionably true. I may hate their government with a white hot burning passion, but their citizens are not ignorant or dumb. I have known many Iranians, and I have not doubt that they would reach that goal.
I am familiar with the “Just War” concept, and we all want our war to be a “Just War” which is a highly plastic philosophical region that is bent, folded, spindled and mutilated by all humans to suit their needs.
We like to think of WWII as a “Just War”, but even among our allies and ideological companions, we have plenty of people who think we forced Japan into attacking us by embargoing key strategic supplies such as oil and Iron.
And the Nazis had “Gott mit uns” (God is with us) cast on the belt buckles used by the Wehrmacht.
In summary I fully get the source of your stance on this issue, and I fully agree that what one group of people view as a valid reason to take hostile action, another group of people will fully take that valid (in the minds of those who authorized action) rationalization and use that as a tool to validate their own invalid rationale for war.
I think you are absolutely correct and right to be wary of that possibility.
I think where we differ is that you view preemptive action as a Rubicon you won’t justify crossing, and I look at the situation and not only can, but have for many years been supportive of an effort to justify crossing that river and taking preemptive action because the possibility of what can happen with the Iranian leadership in possession of nuclear weaponry is simply too dangerous to ignore.
Sure, other countries have nuclear weapons too, but none of them have been supporting open cold murder all over the world in the same way Iran has since 1979. And very few, if any of those other countries have been making open threats to destroy the USA, Israel, or any other country. Granted, I don’t like Pakistan and India having nuclear weapons, but unlike Iran which threatens to wipe us off the earth every several days, I haven’t heard the government of either India or Pakistan threaten us.
Iran not only DOES openly, vocally, and unashamedly threaten us, but has put its money where its mouth is, and has openly organized and funded the murder of not only Americans but a the citizens of hosts of other countries.
By the way-I do know the debt crisis is solvable in a number of ways, otherwise I would (like so many other Freepers appear to have done) roll over on my back with my legs and arms in the air waiting for the inevitable end.
But I don’t.
Against every fiber of my being, I have had to get myself involved in local politics (something I detest) and have resolved to view our national issues with all the information I can muster to at least take an informed stance on those issues and since 2004 I have faced off on the streets with people I regard as our domestic enemies, something I don’t enjoy either.
I can’t stress enough...I DO understand the root of your reservations and I respect that. We have a Freeper who I have become good friends with, and his various credentials on nearly everything far outpace anything I could offer up to bolster my credibility on nearly anything, and we disagree on as fundamental an issue as the use of nuclear weapons against Imperial Japan in 1945.
But I have to respect his religiously based opposition, and that opposition coming from an accomplished decorated warrior who made a career out of the military after spending a year of his life in military hospitals after being severely wounded in combat, gives me the added impetus to ensure that if I take a stance in support of something highly consequential (such as a preemptive strike against a sovereign foreign nation) that if I am wrong or mistaken, it isn’t because I frivolously took my stance. I may be wrong, but on these issues I try to do enough homework that I won’t easily have the wool pulled over my eyes by unscrupulous persons in power who want to use that support for personal or political gain.
I may be wrong on things, and I reserve the right to accept it when I am wrong and change my mind. For me, I would rather be right than consistent, and being human and older now, I find I am often wrong on a multitude of things and have to find a way to face up to them.
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