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To: woodbutcher1963
Even stating that Israel LET Oct 7th happen so that they could have the excuse to invade Gaza.

Even if that were true, and I personally do not believe that it is, the atrocities committed were such that they cannot go unanswered.

I have heard similar about Pearl Harbor, and that still warranted a response, as well.
64 posted on 07/14/2025 8:40:50 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: Dr. Sivana

I did not say I believed that they let Oct 7th happen.
That is one of the conspiracies presented by that particular blog site.
They always seem to have their own spin on all things.

Yes, the severity of the events of Oct 7th needed to have a severe response.

Also, Israel and their Prime Minister are NOT our friends.
They are allies.
They are rightly so going to do and take actions that they believe is in the BEST INTERESTS of Israel. Which MAY coincide with the interests of the USA.


65 posted on 07/14/2025 8:57:32 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Dr. Sivana

The thing with October 7th is people do not understand how surveillance technologies have advanced over the last 60-80 years. They classified an entire area of basic physics to hide it, to this day there is no research into scalar waves. They can do what is like an MRI now over vast areas, even a block of a city, and see everything going on in it.

Then you add in the big secret, which is the extent to which these agencies ID people willing to do surveillance on everyone around them, and assemble massive civilian networks of surveillance, with someone on each corner, and all operational groups, or potentially operation groups of people infiltrated.

I ran into US domestic surveillance, which is on par with Israel, and looks like it might even be controlled by them the way Israel gets unrestricted access to NSA datafeeds on American civilians. There is no way October 7th happened, and nobody knew it was coming.

Intelligence is rapidly splintering from regular society. From the ground surveillance in your neighborhood which watches everyone there, even listening in their homes in America, to the elites, they are becoming like a nation unto themselves, and they are hostile to regular citizens who just want freedom from them. I can attest to that firsthand.

If the truth ever comes out, Israel will find elites in Israeli intel and the Hamas billionaires scripted Oct 7th to a degree nobody would believe, shut down all the young IDF intel who reported anomalies, shut down Shin Bet and Mossad officers who reported something was wrong, and even moved the Nova music festival from the arena in Tel Aviv it was supposed to happen at to that desert, where Hamas was coming through, to get innocent girls killed and kidnapped.

The real war in the world, including Israel, will be between intelligence, which is like a subspecies of psychopaths you cannot share a planet with, and regular people.


67 posted on 07/14/2025 3:22:05 PM PDT by AnonymousConservative (DO NOT send me sensitive info, I'm under surveillance by Domestic Intel http://www.AmericanStasi.com)
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To: Dr. Sivana

It gets worse. I have seen domestic surveillance in the US. It is built up like the old East German Stasi, even down to people on street corners, and neighbors listening in houses of neighbors with elite level tech, and units assigned to schools to track any geniuses at the schools, lest they become a threat.

I have seen it going on fifteen years, and can say, 100%, there is zero chance those hijackers landed in communities, had a place to lay their heads, and the surveillance unit assigned to that sector where they were laying their heads did not look at them close enough to know what was coming and pass it up to command. Everyone has a file, and anyone who looks the least bit interesting gets the full package until the local commander is satisfied that either they are entirely uninteresting, or they know all of the interesting things about them.

You will find the US government intel community knew Sept 11th was coming. And let it happen.


71 posted on 07/14/2025 3:42:16 PM PDT by AnonymousConservative (DO NOT send me sensitive info, I'm under surveillance by Domestic Intel http://www.AmericanStasi.com)
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