Posted on 05/16/2025 9:26:17 AM PDT by Miami Rebel
Conservatives on the House Budget Committee on Friday blocked their party’s megabill from reaching the floor, citing concerns that the legislation to fulfill President Trump’s domestic agenda would add too much to the deficit.
It was a remarkable revolt that threatened to upend the party’s drive to push the legislation through the House before Memorial Day, and sent Republican leaders scrambling to try to put down the uprising.
Five Republicans — Representatives Chip Roy of Texas, Ralph Norman of South Carolina, Josh Brecheen of Oklahoma, Andrew Clyde of Georgia, and Lloyd Smucker of Pennsylvania — joined Democrats in voting against the legislation. The vote was 16 to 21.
“This bill falls profoundly short; it does not do what we say it does with respect to deficits,” Mr. Roy said. “Deficits will go up in the first half of the 10 year budget window, and we all know it’s true, and we shouldn’t do that. We shouldn’t say that we’re doing something we’re not doing.”
The bill would make Mr. Trump’s 2017 tax cuts permanent and eliminate taxes on tips and overtime pay through 2028, fulfilling a campaign pledge. Cuts to Medicaid, food stamps and subsidies for clean energy would partly offset the roughly $3.8 trillion cost of those tax measures over 10 years, as well as increased spending on the military and immigration enforcement.
But the conservatives are demanding changes to the bill, arguing that their leaders did not go far enough to cut federal spending. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a nonpartisan group that calls for lower deficits, estimated that the bill would add roughly $3.3 trillion to the deficit over the next decade.
Chief among their frustrations are that a measure imposing work requirements on childless Medicaid recipients without disabilities would not kick in until 2029.
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It makes no sense to accuse these representatives of being RINOs.
The fact is that they are more committed to true Republican principles than most of their colleagues. That might make them tactically deficient, but they are more ideologically consistent than party leadership.
Who do you trust more?
A prostitute? Or a politician?
Bennies are easy to vote in, impossible to remove.
The Trump tax cuts of 2017 were given an expiration date, which is now.
Now, the ending of taxes on tips and overtime has also been given an expiration date.
This is the crap that generates the 10 year stuff. They get to add revenue at a later date and adjust the 10 year quotes.
If you make tax cuts permanent, like is proposed now for the 2017 tax cuts, they have the political reality of being pretty safe. No one will propose a tax increase. Allowing expiration doesn’t require a vote to explain in the next election.
These guys opposing this bill are RIGHT. They are not grandstanding. They are demanding upheaval, and upheaval is the only non delusional path forward. I am disappointed more GOP folks did not vote no.
It’s time to start making some calls. Repubs threatening to raise our taxes is not acceptable.
Projected savings over a ten-year period mean absolutely nothing at all.
The only measures that count are ones that affect the next fiscal year. The rest is theatrics.
Medicaid is the largest target for spending cuts. It is almost totally lacking in taxes to fund that program and it is riddled with outright fraud. Not "waste". Fraud. The program is unsustainable it its' current form. The fraudsters are stealing from patients.
Social Security is not in bad condition. There are dedicated taxes to fund the program and pulling out the 64 million fraudulent registered participants would be enough to put the program on a sound actuarial basis. Again, we are talking about removing fraud from the system. The fraudsters are stealing from seniors.
The entire health care and pharmaceutical industry and insurance industry has related problems of fraud, created by deliberate government regulations and refusal to enforce existing consumer protection laws. The issue is that they rent or sponsor too many Congressmen to allow changes to be made. The thieves in the executive suites are stealing from everybody. There is an entire industry which is set up to steal from everybody. It is all about hiding costs and who is paying for them.
That is hard to fix. Too many beneficiaries do not want to fix it.
It has been said that if you look around in a poker game and cannot identify the targeted sucker, then you are the sucker. Well, look around.
I just want to know what these people want..seriously, just pass SOMETHING, otherwise taxes are going to go up for everyone and guess what, Republicans will be blamed for it and rightfully so, maybe that is what these douche bags want
“I’m not clear on how many of the DOGE cuts have been included in the budget (or excluded...)
I haven’t heard if any of the useless agencies that were identified have been officially defended by congress in this budget...”
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Nobody in Congress has received anything more than unsupported claims from DOGE. Musk and his people have made lots of claims, but we haven’t seen their actual work.
How about a simple bill: add up all your income. Multiply by 10%. No deductions, no credits, no nothing. A simple tax.
The problem here is the government has been trying to manage part of the economy by the taxing system. They are not related in anyway except for involving money.
Not enough pork for their own special interest to give them enough donor 'contributions'....
“These guys opposing this bill are RIGHT. They are not grandstanding. They are demanding upheaval, and upheaval is the only non delusional path forward. I am disappointed more GOP folks did not vote no.”
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What kind of “upheaval” do you suggest? Most members of Congress don’t want to burn the whole government down.
Most members of Congress don’t want to burn the whole government down.
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What do you choose when there is no other solution?
Don’t focus on choose. Focus on there is no other solution. There is none. Math doesn’t care about politics.
“The increased revenue generated by a stimulus in economic activity will more than make up for what they are claiming is the deficit.”
It is a myth.. Please cite a historical case where that is actually factual. I have never seen it in my lifetime. Every time we ahead they spend even more. Keynesian economics just do not work.
“If it gives a win to President Trump, it’ll never pass. Deep state is firmly in control of DC.”
And that is the bottom line right there. The ONLY reason they are even considering this bill at all is because it has huge payouts to the MIC and Intelligence Community or they would not.
Didn’t go far enough? It’s still pretty God damn far!!
Take what you can get this year because the cuts to social Security taxes alone would guarantee a supermajority in the midterms. Dumbasses
So who is running this caucus? Johnson, or Chip Roy?
If leadership sells out conservative principles, it is they who are RINO.
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