Posted on 01/18/2025 2:24:12 PM PST by grundle
Apparently, California environmentalists wanted the dry brush and dead trees to accumulate.
The Wall St. Journal just wrote,
“for environmental conservation reasons, the state doesn’t typically remove brush”
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I disagree with this policy.
But I don’t live in California.
And I respect the right of California voters to adopt policies that I disagree with.
I would be curious to hear a more detailed explanation from California environmentalists, voters, elected officials, policy makers, and other people about why they chose to adopt this policy.
I respect California voters right to vote for whatever inane policies they wish, as long as they respect my right not to pay for them.
all these groups are likely NGO assets
California is ruled by the teacher’s union and the Sierra Club and other fringe loonies.
If I'm Trump, I'll do a deal. But only if Newsom decides to abolish the EV mandate by 2035. And California decides that they will not be the "center of resistance" to Trump.
Now they can build their 15 minute cites, or more likely concentration camps!
Now they can build their 15 minute cites, or more likely concentration camps!
California Über Alles!
“I respect the right of California voters to adopt policies that I disagree with.”
Hopefully, the Trump EPA doesn’t.
“California is ruled by the teacher’s union and the Sierra Club and other fringe loonies.”
It all started with Berkeley, the Sierra Club, and Allen Cranston a known communist. Then Feinstein and Boxer picked up the baton and ran with it.
LOL. This is a crisis. Let’s see if it is used to make fire remediation more effective or, on on the other hand, is used to increase the power and money of the state.
I bet they will pretend the former and implement the later.
“Now there aren’t any newer living plants.
Morons.”
From the plants point of view this is a watershed moment all the nutrients locked in the mass of brush and other living or recently living things is now ash which is bioavailable vs locked in other living things or deadfall. Fire is the great regeneration process. There are whole ecosystems dependent on fire for their life cycles. The Great Plains for one, the cross timbers and black soils of Eastern Texas is another. From humans view point this is tragic , but over geologic and ecological time those hills in California will be greener and more vibrant. Central Texas oak savannah also is a fire ecosystem before man got here lighting would spark a burn and flash fire all the under brush while leaving the much stronger Oaks very much alive. No longer competing with an under story makes the whole oak savannah stronger as a whole. Same for Mesquite trees. The native Americans of the great Plains and the savannah of Texas used fire as a means to clear brush so the grass would grow and the bison should come the next season. Fire is central to a lot of ecosystems.
Since there is nothing natural about what humans do to suburban areas all that brush should have been cleared and if you want.to have vibrant plants use manmade fertilizers. If humans don’t rebuild on those area’s it won’t be long before they are full of plant life and critters thats just how the earth works fire is the great regeneration process.
There is no rationale for this except “let Gaia be”. If people die, that is OK with treehuggers. And, since they deliver a block vote to the commie trash, the politicos grab their ankles.
All fake like the climate change. Sure the climate changes but they can’t fix it either the money. They wanted to cause fires and they did. Whose next? They can have their smart city now that it’s been cleared.
Enviroweenies think "dominion" is just a handy vote-fraud technology.
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That's why some states have designated "natural" parklands with native species of plants, grasses, trees and pond/creek life. The ones in our county do not allow any domestic dogs or cats off leash even though they are thousands of acres, so much so that no one anywhere in the entire county can have a pet off leash outside their own fenced property.
Neighborhoods adjacent to the nature preserve get notices about not planting invasive foreign grasses, whose seeds can blow into the preserve and choke out native plants. I elected to live near one of these preserves, and although I hate restrictions, I am grateful for these, because the park has stayed a very natural home for plants, wild animals and water critters over many decades due to these policies.
California has abundant room to have designated many areas for state nature preserves. Whatever it would cost to clean their underbrush and treefall could be offset somewhat by manufacture and sale of lumber and mulch, and by avoiding wildfire destruction.
in no way anywhere is that established foresty
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But bird feeders are OK, even though the seeds brands often contain invasive plant seeds.
“This is how gov’t “manages” our public lands.”
Not in Florida. I don’t know about Idaho.
I don’t know how much of Florida is controlled by the Feds, but out west it’s usually 50% or more. And they do not actively manage the land. They’ve gotten rid of access roads & fire breaks deliberately to allow these lands to be more natural. But when fire breaks out, the access necessary to put them out is gone.
Also, they don’t fight ALL fires. If it was natural, a lightning strike for instance, they let it go. If man-made, they will fight it. At least, that’s what I’ve learned over the years.
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