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Read until the very end...Vivek Ramaswamy slammed for suggesting American culture is bad and can’t produce top talent
X | RS ^ | December 26, 2024 | Mark Levin

Posted on 12/28/2024 6:39:57 PM PST by conservative98

There’s a raging debate on X right now about H1B visas and Vivek Ramaswamy is getting slammed for suggesting American culture is bad and thus can’t product high level talent that top tech companies want.

Let’s start back from the beginning:

THE HILL – Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, co-chairs of President-elect Trump’s new “Department of Government Efficiency,” are defending the tech industry’s reliance on foreign-born engineers as the incoming Trump administration prepares to crack down on immigration.

Musk and Ramaswamy both pointed to a lack of engineers stateside.

“The number of people who are super talented engineers AND super motivated in the USA is far too low,” Musk wrote in a Wednesday post on his social platform X.

When another user suggested the Tesla and SpaceX CEO was denying opportunities to Americans, Musk argued that the poster’s understanding of the situation was “upside-down and backwards.”

“OF COURSE my companies and I would prefer to hire Americans and we DO, as that is MUCH easier than going through the incredibly painful and slow work visa process,” the tech billionaire said. “HOWEVER, there is a dire shortage of extremely talented and motivated engineers in America.”

This is where Ramaswamy steps into it, blaming tv shows that promote ‘mediocrity’ on a culture that can’t product top talent:

The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if we’re really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the TRUTH:

Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.

A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.

A culture that venerates Cory from “Boy Meets World,” or Zach & Slater over Screech in “Saved by the Bell,” or ‘Stefan’ over Steve Urkel in “Family Matters,” will not produce the best engineers.

(Fact: I know *multiple* sets of immigrant parents in the 90s who actively limited how much their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because they promoted mediocrity…and their kids went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates).

More movies like Whiplash, fewer reruns of “Friends.” More math tutoring, fewer sleepovers. More weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons. More books, less TV. More creating, less “chillin.” More extracurriculars, less “hanging out at the mall.”

Most normal American parents look skeptically at “those kinds of parents.” More normal American kids view such “those kinds of kids” with scorn. If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieve.

Now close your eyes & visualize which families you knew in the 90s (or even now) who raise their kids according to one model versus the other. Be brutally honest.

“Normalcy” doesn’t cut it in a hyper-competitive global market for technical talent. And if we pretend like it does, we’ll have our asses handed to us by China.

This can be our Sputnik moment. We’ve awaken from slumber before & we can do it again. Trump’s election hopefully marks the beginning of a new golden era in America, but only if our culture fully wakes up. A culture that once again prioritizes achievement over normalcy; excellence over mediocrity; nerdiness over conformity; hard work over laziness.

That’s the work we have cut out for us, rather than wallowing in victimhood & just wishing (or legislating) alternative hiring practices into existence. I’m confident we can do it.

This didn’t go over well with everyone…

 

 

 

 

 
Even Nikki Haley chimed in, saying there is nothing wrong with American culture…

 

 
The press secretary for DeSantis also suggested the problem isn’t American culture, but mass immigration and quoted Governor DeSantis:

 

Vivek isn’t wrong that we have a problem with American culture but it’s not what he suggests. It isn’t TV shows and movies that produce mediocrity. No, this has a lot to do with the breakdown of the family, with the inability or unwillingness of parents to push their children to excel academically instead of endlessly playing video games or sitting in front of a TV. Also many of our schools have big problems producing excellence as well. But I think it all starts with the breakdown of the family, ie. fatherless children and single mothers working multiple jobs to make ends meet while their children are at home doing whatever they want. And this is a product of the Godless left.

But that being said, I don’t know how much that really plays into this problem of top-level talent. It may have some effect, but I also agree with fact that mass immigration is a big culprit, in that it provides the cheap labor that companies want. This is a battle we’ve been fighting for decades, not just against the left, but against the Chamber of Commerce types in the Republican party for decades who want the left’s version of immigration so they can reap the benefits of cheap labor.

Look, I have never disagreed with merit-based immigration, especially when it comes to top level talent. We want the best and the brightest no matter where they are from as long as they are willing to assimilate. But we want it on our terms.

Let me quote the Great Mark Levin from over a decade ago:

"And what do we the people want? We want our border secured. And let me go even further. Let me make it absolutely clear to every foreigner outside this country.

This country belongs to us; it doesn’t belong to you. It doesn’t belong to the 7 billion other people all over the world.

You see the way it’s supposed to work is we decide who gets to come here. We decide the standards. We decide the requirements. We want to know who you are. We want to know what you’re going to – (ready for this one?) – contribute to this society, not take from this society.

You see because I want to make it very very clear to the left, to the media and even some ‘Repubicans’ and even some TV and radio hosts.

There’s nothing compassionate about the downfall of America! There’s nothing compassionate about the hollowing out of our society! There’s nothing compassionate about bankrupting our children and grandchildren, destroying our school system, destroying local law enforcement and hospitals, what’s been built up over 200 years.

It’s one thing to export our viewpoints, our economic ideas, our governing ideas. But it’s quite another to import the views, the culture and the destitution of the third world. Because that is national suicide. And any thinking person who is not playing politics, who’s not a demagogue, who’s not a propagandist, any thinking person regardless of party, ethnicity, or anything else knows I’m right!

This isn’t about voting as far as I’m concerned. This isn’t about pandering to this group or that group as far as I’m concerned. This is about preserving what’s left of this Republic."



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1 posted on 12/28/2024 6:39:57 PM PST by conservative98
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https://therightscoop.com/vivek-ramaswamy-slammed-for-suggesting-american-culture-is-bad-and-cant-produce-top-talent/


2 posted on 12/28/2024 6:40:10 PM PST by conservative98
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He’s not wrong. The American system was set up so the average person could not obtain enough training to break out of middle class and become next door neighbours to people like Bill Gates. This is despite the fact that, overall, Americans tend to prioritize work over anything else.

99% of jobs could be learned on the job and that is not allowed in most industries.


3 posted on 12/28/2024 6:43:13 PM PST by Jonty30 (Genghis Khan did not have the most descendants. His father had more. )
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To: conservative98

You don’t get to simultaneously say American engineers suck, while firing them after using them to train H1Bs.

There are one hell of a lot of good and hardworking American engineers. And they play hell even getting an interview in Indian dominated big tech.


4 posted on 12/28/2024 6:45:44 PM PST by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI..)
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To: conservative98

‘Whiplash’ is a great movie.


5 posted on 12/28/2024 6:45:58 PM PST by TomServo
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To: conservative98

Viveck can go to hell. He offers no solutions to the immigration problem except..... more immigration. Viveck Ramascummy is a one-trick pony and I hope he fades away into the obscurity he deserves in American politics.


6 posted on 12/28/2024 6:46:12 PM PST by wildcard_redneck
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To: conservative98

I would take graduates from the top 20 to 40 US engineering schools before any grad from the top university in India.


7 posted on 12/28/2024 6:49:14 PM PST by kosciusko51
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To: conservative98

I hear what he is saying, but as someone who just lost his job to Indian slaves, I am skeptical.


8 posted on 12/28/2024 6:49:39 PM PST by dgbrown
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I would take graduates from the top 20 to 40 US engineering schools before any grad from the top university in India.

Great, now you've filled < 1% of needed staff. Now what?
9 posted on 12/28/2024 6:51:53 PM PST by TexasGunLover
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To: conservative98
Even Nikki Haley chimed in, saying there is nothing wrong with American culture

If AOC had praised American culture or the US educational system, Haley would be condemning her for it.

All Haley and GOP establishment care about is dividing and conquering the incoming Trump administration.

10 posted on 12/28/2024 6:53:46 PM PST by Kazan
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I have to agree with Vivek. What he says is demonstrably true. We DO NOT emphasize academic achievement in our country. And, this is not a new phenomenon. It goes back many decades. Example: our Space Program was not advanced by any American. It was advanced by a German after WWII. This is but one example. There are countless examples.
Viveks example of America’s valuation of the Superficial, Cheerleaders, and Jocks, above the intellectually gifted is well documented. It’s an undeniable FACT!
The Asian Culture is the EXACT OPPOSITE. Asian parents stress educational accomplishment above all else. Their culture is all about EDUCATIONAL ACHEIEVEMENT. Period. Anything else above that is BONUS!


11 posted on 12/28/2024 6:54:20 PM PST by ocrp1982
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If there is that great of a shortage, why isn’t every US citizen with a STEM degree not employed in their field? I can think of two.

1. There isn’t.
2. Tech companies want cheap labor, not necessarily the best labor.


12 posted on 12/28/2024 6:56:05 PM PST by kosciusko51
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To: conservative98
It’s one thing to export our viewpoints, our economic ideas, our governing ideas. But it’s quite another to import the views, the culture and the destitution of the third world. Because that is national suicide.

In fairness to Vivek and Musk, they don't want to import third-world trash that ends up sucking taxpayer money.

13 posted on 12/28/2024 6:57:35 PM PST by Kazan
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And when discussing how critical it is that the tech bros get their cheap foreign coolie labor, it’s time to have a discussion about what the tech industry has given America.

About 85% of what they create and have created has made America worse. They have given us the social isolation of social media, worse health through their mRNA nostrums and weird food products, they have flooded America with the filthiest porn imaginable and for girls to make it at home and get paid for it with Only Fans, they gave us the hideous Arab spring that killed hundreds of thousands, they helped steal the 2020 election. They have given America the post pervasive domestic mass spying regime in human history. They have made cars expensive and unreliable. They have destroyed entire industries and everywhere you go you need an app.
They colluded with Governments to conduct censorship against the American people. The Hindus running big tech were rabidly enthusiastic about censorship.

I can live without a talking doorbell, a refrigerator that tracks if the milk is expired, surveillance cameras everywhere, and the 1500 microchips in a new F-150.

We could do with a little LESS from big tech, and therefore, they do not need as many pagan immigrants who despise every concept America was founded on.


14 posted on 12/28/2024 6:59:34 PM PST by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI..)
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To: Jonty30

“He’s not wrong.”

Yes, he is. I have taught, worked with, and mentored some of the top computer scientists and engineers in America. They get sold out by the H1B and DEI systems and they melt into other professions.


15 posted on 12/28/2024 6:59:52 PM PST by CodeToad (Rule #1: The elites want you dead.)
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To: conservative98

Vivek getting curb stomped by Nikki, LOL. I know Nikki doesn’t mean it, only hates Vivek, but what an own goal by Vivek. Think he still has some issues from High School he never got over.


16 posted on 12/28/2024 6:59:54 PM PST by teevolt
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To: ocrp1982

You have a terrible sense of history.


17 posted on 12/28/2024 7:00:20 PM PST by CodeToad (Rule #1: The elites want you dead.)
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To: kosciusko51
No need to read further than this, which is similar to what an Australian noticed about American cultural values.

A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.

A culture that venerates Cory from “Boy Meets World,” or Zach & Slater over Screech in “Saved by the Bell,” or ‘Stefan’ over Steve Urkel in “Family Matters,” will not produce the best engineers.

18 posted on 12/28/2024 7:00:59 PM PST by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: conservative98

Vivek is an Indian anchor baby. Trump said on Day 1 he was ending anchor babies.


19 posted on 12/28/2024 7:01:00 PM PST by CodeToad (Rule #1: The elites want you dead.)
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With a biology degree, Ramaswamy can be expected to not know much about engineering. Biology majors can get away with taking a couple of semesters of watered-down math and physics.

People that could pass vector calculus might have given him a chip on his shoulder. He's also completely wrong about American engineers.

20 posted on 12/28/2024 7:01:04 PM PST by Hamiltonian
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