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M4 Carbine: The Weapon the U.S. Military Can’t Give Up
National Security Journal ^ | 8/20/2024 | Brent M. Eastwood

Posted on 08/20/2024 12:30:12 PM PDT by whyilovetexas111

The M4 Carbine dates back to the Vietnam War when the Long-Range Reconnaissance Patrol soldiers needed a weapon that was compact and still semi-concealable so they could snoop deep into enemy territory without being seen. This was the CAR-15, the older brother of the M4. The M-16 was longer and cumbersome in close combat situations, so special operations personnel later preferred the smaller size of the M4, especially when they jumped out of airplanes.

The M4 then spread to light infantry units later in the 1990s. Some soldiers and marines still used the M-16A2 and A3 until the Second Gulf War and you can see photos of marines still using the M16A4 in combat as late as 2004.

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To: A strike

Yeah, basically the receiver starts as one big chunk of steel and they drill it or hone it it out into the actual receiver. The drawback of it is its noticeably heavier than an AK that’s made out of stamped steel, but from my understanding one that is made in the honed steel process, can fire for a lot longer without jamming because the steel does not expand with the heat as much as stamped steel

If the term honed is incorrect, I apologize that’s just the term that I heard used when a first sergeant held two separate AK up to me Talked about the difference between the stamped and what he called the hone one. And it was noticeable difference


41 posted on 08/20/2024 2:42:02 PM PDT by suasponte137
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To: MeanWestTexan

There is just no way to reload a bull pup without taking the weapon off your shoulder, losing your sight picture and taking additional time versus on an AR platform where you can literally keep the weapon at the ready drop a magazine and slap a new one in a second


42 posted on 08/20/2024 2:48:46 PM PDT by suasponte137
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To: suasponte137

thx,
I thought it was stamped or milled


43 posted on 08/20/2024 2:53:06 PM PDT by A strike ("Rise Peter, kill and eat.")
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To: A strike

MILLED. That is the word

Not honed. You are right


44 posted on 08/20/2024 2:54:29 PM PDT by suasponte137
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To: Levy78
" training now consist of putting 5,6,7, 8,9 rounds into the target. "

Yeah, sure - if you have an ammo truck nearby.

45 posted on 08/20/2024 3:12:59 PM PDT by Chainmail (You can vote your way into Socialism - but you will have to shoot your way out.)
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To: packagingguy
"It looks like soldiers have some difficulty shooting it."

The young ladies, maybe.

46 posted on 08/20/2024 3:13:56 PM PDT by Chainmail (You can vote your way into Socialism - but you will have to shoot your way out.)
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To: jjotto

Catastrophic failure blows out the action and the face pressed against it.


47 posted on 08/20/2024 3:28:34 PM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: doorgunner69

I have several piston AR’s. Still prefer direct impingement but the piston ARs run great and stay super clean. No shitting where they eat! It’s an easy conversion to do at home if you have a vice, punch and barrel nut tool. Just get a YouTube vid and follow along.


48 posted on 08/20/2024 3:30:01 PM PDT by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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To: Levy78

A shame no one has come up with a “PAM” type spray to prevent all that carbon from sticking. Too hot I suspect.

Have found the “CLR” cleaners are good at cutting through the crap.


49 posted on 08/20/2024 3:47:47 PM PDT by doorgunner69 (I don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. i don't think he knows what he said either)
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To: suasponte137

Nonsense.

You don’t even have to come off target to reload a Tavor.


50 posted on 08/20/2024 4:10:35 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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To: suasponte137

“There is just no way to reload a bull pup without taking the weapon off your shoulder”

Watch here at 1:15. Completely a false statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AChPRteBOag


51 posted on 08/20/2024 4:13:46 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Maybe the tover or whatever is the best thing since sliced bread but this is the bull pup I carried for 30 days and it sucked

https://www.reddit.com/r/HighQualityReloads/comments/p3imoz/sa80_inspect_and_reload/

Styre aug sucks too


52 posted on 08/20/2024 4:19:10 PM PDT by suasponte137
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To: MeanWestTexan

lol. It’s awkward


53 posted on 08/20/2024 4:22:17 PM PDT by suasponte137
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To: Wayne07

If Sig made a cell phone it would weigh 3 pounds.


54 posted on 08/20/2024 4:40:05 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: riverrunner

“Plenty of anecdotal evidence that the 5.56 cartridge is way underpowered in the combat arena.”

Also known as “misses”. See also ducks that can fly with their hearts completely shot out.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/las-vegas-autopsy-documents_n_5a8234efe4b01467fcf08b97

Scroll through these. It’s one nasty weapon.


55 posted on 08/20/2024 4:44:27 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: Repeat Offender

5 rounds in the chest and they keep coming. I heard that sea story. Like all sea stories, it started with “No shit, there I was, thought I was gonna die...”


56 posted on 08/20/2024 4:48:37 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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Re: Post 55

The wounds at the article at the link are horrific but keep in mind that those 60 who died in the Las Vegas shooting were among 400+ that had been shot. As expected for civilians at an entertainment venue, none were wearing helmets or body armor.

The 5.56 is underpowered in the combat arena. Combat in Afghanistan exposed the limitations of the 5.56 and led to a return to the 7.62 with the Mk14 Enhanced Battle Rifle, the M39 Enhanced Marksman Rifle, and the M110 Semi Automatic Sniper System. Some of the transition to 7.62 was for lethality at greater distances but the prevalence of inexpensive body armor also increased the need for a more powerful round.

There is also the issue of firing into vehicles or through doors which were not common in Vietnam, but was common in Iraq.

57 posted on 08/20/2024 5:25:24 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: DesertRhino

I have shot deer with mine. The damage done is very fatal.

People who tell me it is not have never butchered a animal shot with one.


58 posted on 08/20/2024 5:36:33 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: circlecity

I think Kel-tec has one that ejects downward, they bill it as ambidextrous. Never saw it in real life, so who knows.

Freegards


59 posted on 08/20/2024 5:52:12 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: suasponte137

Only if you are a spasmatic


60 posted on 08/20/2024 6:05:32 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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