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A $150,000 House In 1988 Now Costs $707,500; Thank You, Fed!
Mish Talk ^ | 08/13/2024 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 08/13/2024 10:51:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The Fed has grossly distorted the housing market and no fix is in sight. A couple of images will explain...

Chart data from Case-Shiller, mortgage calculation based on Fannie Mae 30-year mortgage rates, chart by Mish

Home Price Calculation Notes

Mortgage Payment and Mortgage Rate

The above chart represents the mortgage payment of the same house as the lead chart reflecting the changing price and interest rate over time.

Price, Mortgage Rate, Mortgage Payment Over Time, Same House

It’s Worse Than Described Above

Mortgage rates are slightly higher in practice.

Also, prices do not include property taxes or insurance.

Mess Entirely of Fed’s Making

This is a mess entirely of the Fed’s making. And it’s what happens when the Fed, and economists in general do not count home prices as inflation.

Home prices are not directly in the CPI or PCE. The latter is the Fed’s preferred measure of inflation.

Economists consider home prices a capital expense not a consumer expense. The problem is simple: Inflation is not just a consumer price concern!

The Fed ignored obvious inflation in the Great Recession and did so again in the Covid recession.

Existing Home Sales Drop 5.4 Percent But Median Price Hits New Record

Existing-home sales declined 5.4 percent in June. It was the 23rd decline in 29 months. But the median price hit a new record.

For Discussion, please see Existing Home Sales Drop 5.4 Percent But Median Price Hits New Record

Existing-home sales are about where they were in December 1995 and May 1979!

Only price-insensitive buyers, the newly rich, or those who just sold their previous house, can afford to buy.

All-cash sales accounted for 28% of purchase transactions in June.

Housing, Rent, CPI Indexes Jan 2020 vs May 2024

Haves vs Have Nots

Existing homeowners who refinanced near or perhaps even under 3.0 percent have extra money in their pocket every month to spend. And they do.

Those who spend every penny then have an unexpected expense or a big rent increase are in trouble.

The group of people who were doing OK but now aren’t is expanding. Also the unemployment rate is rising and small business employment is in a serious nose dive.

Small Business Employment Growth Is Now Negative

Data from ADP, chart by Mish

For discussion, please see Small Business Employment Growth Is Now Negative (and What It Means)

ADP data shows year-over-year payroll growth is negative 88,000 for small corporations sized 20-49. Trends are negative in all but very large corporations.

On July 26, I commented Expect the BLS to Revise Job Growth Down by 730,000 in 2023, More This Year

At the heart of these revisions is a horribly flawed birth-death model used by the BLS. My calculation closely matches an estimate by Bloomberg’s chief Economist.

In addition to the birth-death model, or perhaps explaining the birth-death model errors, small business employment is declining fast.

Unemployment Rate Jumps, Jobs Rise Only 114,000 with More Negative Revisions

On August 2, I commented Unemployment Rate Jumps, Jobs Rise Only 114,000 with More Negative Revisions

The headline jobs number was much weaker than the consensus estimate of 180,000 and the unemployment rate rose 0.2 percentage points.

The McKelvey (Sahm) Unemployment Rate Recession Rule Just Triggered

On July 8 I commented Weak Data Says a Recession Has Already Started, Let’s Now Discuss When

I did an update on August 2 using a tighter trigger.

Also on August 2, I commented The McKelvey (Sahm) Unemployment Rate Recession Rule Just Triggered

Recession with rising unemployment rates and 15,000 Layoffs at Intel is not the best environment to be buying a house even if mortgage rates have declined.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Society
KEYWORDS: fed; housing; inflation; realestate
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1 posted on 08/13/2024 10:51:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

This is what happens when people elect lawyers instead of leaders...


2 posted on 08/13/2024 10:53:07 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SeekAndFind

The apples to apples comparison would include the rate of increase in wages since 1988.

Obviously housing costs (ownership or renting) have increased much faster than wages during that period.


3 posted on 08/13/2024 10:53:16 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: SeekAndFind

My mother’s house cost new $6,000.00 in 1969, just saw it listed for $207,000.00


4 posted on 08/13/2024 10:53:19 AM PDT by lula (1984)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s the insane government spending that has to be underwritten.

Don’t blame the Fed - blame the Congress.


5 posted on 08/13/2024 10:53:39 AM PDT by Thorium90
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To: SeekAndFind

The congress created the Federal Reserve, and the the Fed is so bad lean on the congress to eliminate it!

OR - prohibit the Fed from buying Treasuries - let only private entities buy the bills, notes, bonds.


6 posted on 08/13/2024 10:56:30 AM PDT by Thorium90
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To: SeekAndFind

We bought for $47,900 in ‘94 and pay it off next March…
We were getting offers on the mail in the $350K range 3 or 4 years ago, now they are down around $260K, but about 1 a month instead of 4 or 5 a week.


7 posted on 08/13/2024 10:59:24 AM PDT by AzNASCARfan
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To: SeekAndFind

Every penny created by the Fed was a penny spent by the Congress through spending bills or continuing resolutions. Our party is just as much to blame.

Planned Parenthood has been funded for decades.
Obamacare has been funded
Banks have been bailed out
DEI has been implemented throughout the government
Wars have been fought and innocent people have been killed
College programs teaching hatred of white men have been paid for
Stimulus payments have been sent out
Elections have been stolen
Innocent people have been persecuted by the Department of Justice
10 million invaders are getting monthly stipends
etc...

The cowards who we keep electing still haven’t found the hill they want to die on to stop paying for the destruction of our country.


8 posted on 08/13/2024 11:00:49 AM PDT by nitzy (Everything makes sense once you realize that we don't rule over ourselves and our rulers hate us.)
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To: lula

The number I remember is my first (fully furnished) apartment after I graduated from college in 1974.

It was a nice one bedroom in Dallas. The complex had a swimming pool and other amenities in the Love Field area.

The rent was $155 a month.

https://www.rentcafe.com/average-rent-market-trends/us/tx/dallas/

The average rent today in Dallas is ten times that.


9 posted on 08/13/2024 11:01:46 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: SeekAndFind

As a general rule the value of assets will double every 20 years at the feds target rate of inflation of 3%.

so that home would have been near $600,000 by now even with good interest rates.

Just saying


10 posted on 08/13/2024 11:02:16 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: SeekAndFind
That's what you get when you let millions of illegal aliens into the country and then the federal government subsidizes their invasion.

The handouts being given to these illegal aliens is one of the primary drivers of inflation and housing price rise. There are other reasons, particularly energy costs due to the dems hatred of oil, but if you take out the excess and artificial demand supported by the government, then the oversupply will force prices down for housing.

Lower the artificial demand and you get prosperity, but not so many new dem voters.

11 posted on 08/13/2024 11:05:11 AM PDT by Pox (Eff You China. Buy American!)
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To: SeekAndFind

De-dollarization has consequences!


12 posted on 08/13/2024 11:26:31 AM PDT by Tom Tetroxide
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To: dragnet2

You want to be really pissed off? My grandparents bought their house for 2,000 in 1941. Now it’s worth 850K.


13 posted on 08/13/2024 11:29:25 AM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: SeekAndFind

One might celebrate that their home’s value has never been higher until one considers that the cost of moving to a different home has also never been higher.


14 posted on 08/13/2024 11:31:53 AM PDT by webheart
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To: AzNASCARfan

Not everyone buys a fixer upper. Most buy ready to move in homes. 47.9K in 1994 needed massive overhaul. Probably gutted.


15 posted on 08/13/2024 11:31:59 AM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: cgbg

155 today is worth close to a thousand dollars.


16 posted on 08/13/2024 11:33:14 AM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“the feds target rate of inflation of 3%”

https://www.richmondfed.org/publications/research/econ_focus/2024/q1_q2_federal_reserve

2%.


17 posted on 08/13/2024 11:35:11 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: napscoordinator

The relevant question is—have salaries gone up at that rate?


18 posted on 08/13/2024 11:35:59 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: napscoordinator

You have to adjust the $2,000 for inflation.


19 posted on 08/13/2024 11:39:50 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Property taxes on a 180K home I can afford, on a 770K home? NO

I sold my stick built home on 1/2 acre for a loss, took what I had and bought a Manufactured home with cash, and a 5 year loan of $300 a month. I own it outright now, and can barely afford to live in WA state.


20 posted on 08/13/2024 12:01:49 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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