Posted on 05/30/2024 5:53:42 PM PDT by conservative98
Thinking further out loud
The issue is how to get out of the New York system and bring the case to the Supreme Court, which may or may not take it up. That is why I look to Bush v Gore, where the S Ct decided to step in BECAUSE it was a presidential election. There was another court involved, the Florida Supreme Court. And it was that court that the Supreme Court believed was violating the Equal Protection Clause. That was the doctrine it settled on, given the unequal treatment of voters.
In New York, you would file the notice of appeal, ask for a stay of the trial court, and seek expedited review. You need to protect your ability to timely appeal and not abandon it. You might then file applications for common law writs with the US Supreme Court, where the S Ct can take action if it chooses, and legitimately claim the harm is immediate and ongoing not just to a presidential candidate, but to the federal electoral system, federal campaign jurisdiction (reverse federalism), and the precedent that might otherwise be set and spread throughout the country. The denial of due process infected every aspect of the case.
The S Ct has common law powers (common law writs -- judicially created not statutorily created) it uses very sparingly, in extraordinary circumstances, to grant relief. Waiting would compound the problem. The problem now is that every day that goes by, the actions by the NY lower court bleeds into the federal, presidential election system.
Where does this end? Will other DA's use the Bragg-Merchan precedent, such as it is, going forward, and not care what higher state courts have to say, in that those courts may not act quickly or at all. So, now local prosecutors and state judges will intervene in presidential elections or any federal election.
We need to give the Supreme Court the opportunity to intervene. If it chooses not to, then it won't.
But between Jack Smith criminalizing election challenges to the point that we do not know what is or is not legal, and now Bragg and Merchan criminalizing events and activities that are not illegal, to the point we don't now know what they are, the Supreme Court, in my view, must do something.
In the end, the S Ct will not be able to avoid this forever. Better to deal with now than later, when it will get worse.
John Roberts is compromised.
Simple.
Post election, they’ll get around to it.
I think the immumity case may address this as well. As Trump “supposedly” performed his “criminal” acts while President, if the SC rules he has immunity, then wouldn’t that overturn the conviction?
I strongly believe that the reason the Supremes didn't take up the election cases in 2020 is because they were afraid of being accused of tampering with the elections and deciding the winner.
That was the accusation against the court in the Bush v Gore case.
The Supremes have recently shown some desire to rule in election cases (after it made no difference), so there is still some hope.
Perhaps— but THIS gives him a way to GET out of being compromised and to do so like a Champion of American Rights of any political persuasion— for the sake of prevention of a Tyranny by Democrats of the Marxist persuasion. Even Roberts can see this- these people are not isolated from the public outrage of this ridiculous concocted Stalinist show trial— where the jury can pick like from a Chinese menu what crime supports the 34 charges either in total or as separate “crimes” of predication to the “felony” only recently decided to be changed by the NY Legislature.
The problem with going directly to USSC is that they are already seen by most Democrats as compromised partisans. As satisfying as it would be to use them to slap Bragg and his minions down quickly, a New York Court of Appeals reversal would accomplish the same goal and salvage some semblance of legitimacy for a compromised justice system.
Have you seen who serves on that court? Trump doesn’t have a prayer. Let me put it to you that way.
Seems like it would— it would render this “case” as being moot— a legal term for being rendered NEUTER— having no force of law. Not the charging, the bringing of the case trying to federalize a supposed state crime that wasn’t.. etc.
Immunity would obviate this entire ridiculous case- to oblivion.
It WAS an accusation— made by DEMONRATS, who loved them some Gore. Speaking as one who among many took part in the FL “recount” the SCOTUS directed NOT to occur only in democrat counties.
So— this is not the reason for 2020. John Roberts is under threat by the obamaumao thugs of Islamofascism— both for the adoption of his children in Brazil, and possibly some hazy homo crap about him— which, in this day and age should not faze any SCOTUS justice much less the Chief Justice. The threat is coming from Deep State embeds from obamaumao- who are deeply afraid for what will and should happen to obama for what he has done to this country. A dish best eaten cold as it has been said.
They could even rule on it narrowly and say that the federal election campaign law violation was NOT a violation - which just about everyone agrees with - and then throw out the case on a very narrow basis.
Levin is arguing what I told a friend today. This is really no different from a local judge ruling Trump cannot be on the ballot. This is a minor court with a partisan judge and a DA who ran on getting Trump making a bogus case in an attempt to control the outcome of federal elections. And doing so in part by charging Trump with a federal law violation they have no authority to prosecute!
If they won’t shut this down, then they shut down America. Our country is gone.
However, if he did get his kids from Brazil, and from one specific individual, then they were probably trafficked.
There would be no statute of limitations on such an accusation.
think the immumity case may address this as well. As Trump “supposedly” performed his “criminal” acts while President, if the SC rules he has immunity, then wouldn’t that overturn the conviction?
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Uh, I think there’s a little problem with your theory. In no possible way could Trump’s business book keeping be considered official presidential acts, so not covered by immunity.
It was planned start to finish.
You can’t hide the charges until the final hour unless the Judge is on it.
Just like Merchan was magically selected, the Appeal has been discussed and coordinated. Nothing happens until the debates are over and votes have been cast.
The timing, the DOJ Prosecutor, Juror selection, the magical selection of Metchan, the hiding of the charges, the 15, to things stated by Prosecutors and the Judge that no one testified to…. It all took close coordination.
All American "judges", clean or dirty, are now presumed to be acting with partisan interests.
I'm sorry it has to be this way, but there it is.
“As Trump “supposedly” performed his “criminal” acts while President….”
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If the acts were performed while he was President, then how on earth could they have influenced the 2016 presidential election? Trump doesn’t look much like Marty McFly to me.
President Trump is unable to discern between good and bad people, sad to say. He needs TRUSTED help like Steve Bannon or Dr. Gorka. Good God, he attracts so many scoundrels who use and abuse him. Please God, keep President Trump under your protection.
We can conclude from this “verdict” that in every courtroom in this former republic, the law is in the mouth of the judges and prosecutors.
There is no legitimacy in any American court, anywhere, from this point forward.
That’s too bad for the clean, nonpartisan judges.
They are all “judges” now - corrupt and bought & paid for.
I don’t think Trump or the Supremes want this to go straight to the Supreme Court
It’s worse than that. They were part of the design and execution.
These decisions have been made months ago.
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