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REMEMBERING MR. LINCOLN
Powerline ^ | 12 Feb 2024 | Scott Johnson

Posted on 02/12/2024 11:09:57 AM PST by Rummyfan

Today is the anniversary of the birth of America’s great or greatest president, Abraham Lincoln. As a politician and as president, Lincoln was a profound student of the Constitution and constitutional history. Perhaps most important, Lincoln was America’s indispensable teacher of the moral ground of political freedom at the exact moment when the country was on the threshold of abandoning what he called its “ancient faith” that all men are created equal.

In 1858 Lincoln attained national prominence in the Republican Party as the result of the contest for the Senate seat held by Stephen Douglas. It was Lincoln’s losing campaign against Douglas that made him a figure of sufficient prominence that he could be the party’s 1860 presidential nominee.

At the convention of the Illinois Republican Party in June, Lincoln was the unanimous choice to run against Douglas. After declaring him their candidate late on the afternoon of June 16, the entire convention returned that evening to hear Lincoln speak. Accepting the convention’s nomination, Lincoln gave one of the most incendiary speeches in American history.

Lincoln electrified the convention, asserting that the institution of slavery had made the United States “a house divided against itself.” Slavery would either be extirpated or become lawful nationwide, Lincoln predicted, provocatively quoting scriptural authority to the effect that “a house divided against itself cannot stand.” Demonstrating how it “changed the course of history,” Harry Jaffa calls it “[t]he speech that changed the world.”

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TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: abrahamlincoln; godsgravesglyphs; greatestpresident; illinois; lincoln; powerline; scottjohnson; stephendouglas; thecivilwar
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To: DiogenesLamp

We will agree to disagree on some of this, but am glad we can do it on a forum such as FR.


21 posted on 02/12/2024 12:05:46 PM PST by Fury
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To: DiogenesLamp

Some points are correct. Jackson may have avoided the war completly ad President Trump said. He certainly would not have fought the war half assed for 3 years like Lincoln did.


22 posted on 02/12/2024 12:06:01 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEgermany in 1837. FTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

So yeah, sometimes words mean what they say, but not in this case.


You have quite a convoluted interpretation................


23 posted on 02/12/2024 12:06:58 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

It’s the only thing that matters. Always has been. I haven’t read much at all about it. Cousin Charlie Brice’s letters to his mother were fascinating to read. He was at Fredericksburg, I think. The last letter in the set was written by his buddy, who was from the same area. You can guess what it was about.


24 posted on 02/12/2024 12:07:22 PM PST by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protection)
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To: Rummyfan

The guy that discarded the constitution when he saw fit.


25 posted on 02/12/2024 12:08:48 PM PST by GrumpyOldGuy
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To: DiogenesLamp

GOD had the final say, and the Union won, and the Confederacy was destroyed.


26 posted on 02/12/2024 12:08:57 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEgermany in 1837. FTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: cowboyusa
I dare say Jackson *DID* avoid it.

His killing the Bank of the USA may have been in large part responsible for stopping Southern secession. Took out much of the Northeastern corruption cartel's power with that move.

The South would have likely been more successful seceding in the 1830s than they were after the North had had an additional 20 years of Southern money pumped into the Northern economy.

27 posted on 02/12/2024 12:10:41 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

You sound like a but hurt commie.

Sorry, but it’s whiny like the woketards.


28 posted on 02/12/2024 12:11:18 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: central_va

Virginia was under tryany. They were caught up in war they did not start, one that was caused by the deep South. Many Virginia’s fought and won the War for the Union.


29 posted on 02/12/2024 12:11:36 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEgermany in 1837. FTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Jackson stoped it cold, and saw what was coming
It was South Carolina that was the tro7blemaking state from the begining, and South Carolina payed the price. The Deep South dragged the rest of the Southern States into a war they did not care for.


30 posted on 02/12/2024 12:14:24 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEgermany in 1837. FTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: PeterPrinciple
You have quite a convoluted interpretation................

A more realistic interpretation than believing 13 slave owning states were objecting to slavery, while continuing to profit from it.

People who think 13 slave owning states would be denouncing slavery while continuing to profit from it are wishfully thinking.

"All men are created equal" was intended to refer to themselves. It wasn't until later that more people started seeing it as referring to the slaves.

This is a realistic interpretation.

31 posted on 02/12/2024 12:14:26 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: ComputerGuy
You can guess what it was about.

I would guess it was about fighting off the invaders who intended to subjugate them.

32 posted on 02/12/2024 12:16:04 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
The Founders were trying to hem slavery in, the beloved that it was on it's way to extension, the Cotton Gin changed things. Also, the Slavery System was anti free market and anti- innovation
33 posted on 02/12/2024 12:17:11 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEgermany in 1837. FTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: cowboyusa
GOD had the final say, and the Union won,

I guess GOD tends to pick the side that has 5 times the population of the losing side.

34 posted on 02/12/2024 12:18:56 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: ifinnegan
You sound like a but hurt commie.

I'm not the one getting upset about getting hit with a truth bomb.

I'm simply pointing out the facts as they exist.

35 posted on 02/12/2024 12:20:04 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

It was GOD’S time to end slavery. The war progressed that way. JESUS controls history.


36 posted on 02/12/2024 12:21:12 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEgermany in 1837. FTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

It was to tell Charlie’s mother that her son had been killed in action and buried up in Virginia.


37 posted on 02/12/2024 12:22:27 PM PST by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protection)
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To: cowboyusa
The Founders were trying to hem slavery in,

No they weren't. God had already hemmed it in for them. Slavery couldn't grow anywhere in the territories because the climate wouldn't allow the creation of plantations.

Slavery was stuck in the South and couldn't get beyond it even if they wanted it to.

Given a few more decades, it likely would have dissipated in the South too.

38 posted on 02/12/2024 12:22:50 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

But you’re reading of this is bizarre and off kilter.


39 posted on 02/12/2024 12:23:22 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: cowboyusa
It was GOD’S time to end slavery.

So when Lincoln was calling for the passage of an amendment to keep slavery forever, he was going against God?

You do know that Lincoln didn't' believe in God? He was an atheist, and was in a large part anti-Christian.

He said some things in the 1850s that would have guaranteed he never became President, if the Christian public had only heard about it.

40 posted on 02/12/2024 12:25:03 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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