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1 posted on 12/19/2023 12:07:00 PM PST by River Hawk
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To: River Hawk

No amount of financial incentives is going to get the birth rate up significantly, the 3 factors that determine birth rate are: the age at which people marry, the divorce rate, and female labor participation rate.

Unless those factor change, nothing else matters. If women wait until their 30s to get married, they won’t be having many children, even if they want to, and if women focus on their “careers” and have that settled before they get married, they won’t be getting married until their 30s.


2 posted on 12/19/2023 12:11:16 PM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: River Hawk

You want to fix the problem....

Phase out Social Security. It’s going away on it’s own anyhow.

If you don’t have lots of successful kids, you starve in your old age.

It’s pretty simple.


3 posted on 12/19/2023 12:13:52 PM PST by nitzy (I wonder if the telescreens in 1984 were first called "free Obamascreens")
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To: River Hawk

THE WALL

is inevitable.


4 posted on 12/19/2023 12:14:26 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: River Hawk
The real solution is to build societies that don’t need as many people as we do today.

+1000

I don't know why there isn't more discussion of this. There seem to be 3 approaches:

1) Import tons of Third World people to replace Americans who are not being born.
2) Magically transform the US into a perfect land where all the happy Americans are able to settle down with their true love and pump out lots and lots of babies.
3) Figure out some way that the country can accept reality and live with the fact that we will have a lot of old people and not that many young people. Yeah, that's not ideal. But it's real. Learn to deal with it.

Jump back 200 years or more -- No one had a magic wand. No one had a magic government. Reality was what it was. People just dealt with the hand that they got. And it was OK. We can do that again. Or we can try to build some sort of communist utopia full of Third Worlders, and we can see how that works.

6 posted on 12/19/2023 12:14:47 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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It took decades of propaganda from the culture of death to lower birth rates in the west
I assume it will take decades to fix the problem (if it’s possible at all)


8 posted on 12/19/2023 12:16:59 PM PST by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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To: River Hawk
Coming from an Italian background, the one thing that has always been clear to me from day one is that big families are a blessing.

Materialism and the Perversion Revolution of the 1960s destroyed much of that. But the cool thing is this: A man and a woman who are dedicated to each other can revive the big family culture in a single generation. We've done it in our family and there are many others in our circles who have done the same.
9 posted on 12/19/2023 12:22:11 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: River Hawk

The fertility problem is solved by religion.

If you believe in religion, you exercise more self control due to pressure derived from some afterlife outcome. Sexual methods are more directed towards beneficial goals for society/said religion.

If you don’t, you’re more likely to worship yourself, which childbearing interferes with. Your sexual methods are more directed towards pleasure.


10 posted on 12/19/2023 12:23:12 PM PST by struggle
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To: River Hawk

We need to figure out a way to reintroduce women to womanhood.

The left has convinced a large portion of Western women that being a woman was an artificial social construct imposed on them and that womanhood and the feminine don’t actually exist and were a temporary cultural enslavement that has to be fought and overcome and prevented from ever happening again.


11 posted on 12/19/2023 12:24:51 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: River Hawk

Ya, go back to God’s original instruction manual......


12 posted on 12/19/2023 12:26:57 PM PST by G Larry (It is RACIST to impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants by importing Cheap ILLEGAL Labor!)
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To: River Hawk

How do we get young people interested and invested in marriage and family , as major life goals?

Many young people today, both men and women are focused on College and getting into careers . Both men and women seem to be interested in having a significant other but not necessarily getting married.

They may get more interested in marriage and family as they enter the decade of their 30s, but by then, fertility or ability to conceive, has started declining.

So even for those young people who do eventually end up marrying and having families, they will have fewer children then they would have otherwise.


23 posted on 12/19/2023 1:55:00 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: River Hawk

We’ve, chucked Christianity, family values, the definition of men and women. DEI should be DIE. That’s what it has done and is doing to our society. We save baby animals, but champion killing human babies. Our “smart”/educated class bought into ZPG and carbon footprints. Nobody tells the poor,to stop breeding because they can’t support their own. They tell the affluent to stop breeding and then make them the enemy.

I see no way out. It is too entrenched.


30 posted on 12/19/2023 7:18:53 PM PST by Whatever Works
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To: River Hawk

With all of the Ukrainian girls now in Poland, it’s population should be increasing shortly.


35 posted on 12/20/2023 12:20:08 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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