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1 posted on 11/16/2023 7:50:40 AM PST by Sam77
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She’s right. Anti-semitism has been weaponized to fend off criticism of liberal Jews who have aligned themselves with Karl Marx in order to have worldwide slavery under socialism.

I think Shapiro is, out of his own vested interest, is only seeing one side of anti-Semitism. I do know that there are those who hate Jews, because they are Jews.


2 posted on 11/16/2023 7:53:24 AM PST by Jonty30 (It turns out that I did not buy my cell phone for all the calls I might be missing at home.)
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The benchmark right now for anti semitism is extremely low on the right at this moment

On the other hand anti semitism in the Muslim world and amongst the intersectional left is alarming no question

We have people right here fine with killing 2 million Gazans and praying to bomb Tehran too

If you say hold on you’re possibly anti semitic to some

There is nowhere like America is on this especially on the right

Dispensationalism is the main cause of this


10 posted on 11/16/2023 8:13:43 AM PST by wardaddy (I have seen true anti semitism is more common in USA than I imagined. A disease in the public mind)
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The entire conservative online world seems focused on the Owens-Shapiro fight.

I am passionately pro-Israel and can't stand either one of them. (They have their space and their audience, fine, but for me they are both nails-on-chalkboard.)

11 posted on 11/16/2023 8:13:51 AM PST by M. Thatcher
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I see some nuance of the issue. Support for Hamas is, by their own charter, anti-Semitic. I think calls for a cease fire or pause or whatever are de facto support for Hamas so it is not necessarily wrong to label them anti Semitic. What I don’t agree with is the idea proffered by the usual warmongering suspects, that failing to gift money and weapons is anti semetic.

In the long run we are not a reliable partner and Israel would likely be better served by decoupling from the US anyway. Our weapons help them militarily but our policy seems designed to keep the status quo.


14 posted on 11/16/2023 8:21:24 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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Ben is unhinged. I am not much of a fan. He seems to be in the camp that some are above accountability. Antisemitism is real. Antisemitism is also falsely weaponized to silence critics; the Soros defenders are a great example.

I am not as much of a fan of Owens as I was when she started with TPUSA but she seems more grounded in this spat. It’s all a distraction and very Leftist “let’s see you and him fight while we enjoy the spectacle.” They love to stir conflict over conversation.

16 posted on 11/16/2023 8:23:42 AM PST by newzjunkey (We need a better Trump than Trump in 2024)
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The truth is, speaking your mind is always a flashpoint for those who disagree with each other. But it is an integral part of our system of freedom of speech. I want to change nothing with regard to that.

I disagree with Candice on this point. When one side commits a horrendous crime, then the gloves must be allowed to come off, and perform the surgical removal of a source that will never change their goals of actually performing a killing genocide if they can get the necessary items needed to carry it off.

Israel showed restraint by providing time to vacate the area of innocents.

Problem was, Hamas would not allow them to leave. Their choice became die from Hamas as you try to leave or become martyr's by staying with a possibility of coming out alive.

The Israeli's are not trying to perform a genocide, they are trying to take out the cancer with the least possible damage to others remaining in the region.

17 posted on 11/16/2023 8:26:13 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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This thread deserves more attention

I just learned about this on the Chris hand show here in music city metro area

I recommend him around 80%

Which is high for me


19 posted on 11/16/2023 8:29:56 AM PST by wardaddy (I have seen true anti semitism is more common in USA than I imagined. A disease in the public mind)
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Two annoying egotistical losers, may be hey both quit


21 posted on 11/16/2023 8:35:05 AM PST by bigbob
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I want it known that the great majority of Jewish people weaponizing anti-Semitism charges are coming from the left. I listen to Charlie Kirk almost daily and I know he’s no anti-Semite, probably a philo-Semite. The questions he was scorched over were the same questions I had in the immediate aftermath: how the hell could this have happened given Israel’s vaunted security capabilities and track record? I am not suggesting any conspiracy theories and I would be suspicious of the motives of anyone who would. It just needs to be investigated and explained because it doesn’t make any sense.

I’m not familiar with Candace Owens’ specific statements in this case, so I won’t comment, but, overall, I believe her when she says she supports Israel. Listening to her with Tucker last night, I could not agree with her “absolutist” 1A defense of people calling for my death and the deaths of every Jew. I don’t mean that the government has the right to stop these people from protesting, but certainly, calling for genocide amounts to a form of terroristic threats and incitement to murder, which are criminal offenses. Likewise, I believe any private person or organization that wants to impose their own sanctions (firing, expulsion from college, etc.) are certainly as entitled to their point of view.


22 posted on 11/16/2023 8:37:20 AM PST by JewishRighter
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Hunting Jews is never tolerable.


25 posted on 11/16/2023 8:43:40 AM PST by bray (You can tell who the Commies fear.)
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“For instance, she has argued that the charge of anti-Semitism has been “weaponized” to silence people.”

I think there’s definitely some (maybe a lot) to that.

It’s just like “Racism”, “homophobe” and all the other “phobias”.

Victim-hood is a propaganda weapon that has been quite effective, and that’s why every group rushes to paint itself as the victim.

And the fact that there are millions of useful idiots that easily fall for that is at the heart of most of our cultural problems.


29 posted on 11/16/2023 9:03:22 AM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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“That Charlie Kirk, Elon Musk, and Thomas Massie have recently been smeared as antisemites is proof of this charge.”

Yes, couldn’t agree with her more!


30 posted on 11/16/2023 9:07:51 AM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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I have been told by very knowledgeable people here on FR that it is o.k. to say your own government is evil but it is NEVER o.k. to say the government of Israel is evil. That would be anti-semitism....and ultimately “un-Christian”.

I have even had threads removed for saying such things.


31 posted on 11/16/2023 9:09:14 AM PST by nitzy (I wonder if the telescreens in 1984 were first called "free Obamascreens")
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The word “anti-Semitism” is just another word for calling people “racist” that protects Jews from criticism.

It is fast losing its power because it is used by the ADL against everyone and everything.


32 posted on 11/16/2023 9:14:18 AM PST by CodeToad (Rule#1: The elites want you dead.)
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In the context of the immediate aftermath of the Oct 7 attack by Hamas, to bring up the anti-zionist and anti-colonial arguments as a reason for Israel to stop fighting back are indeed anti-semitic.

It’s comparable to the “chickens coming home to roost” post 9-11 for America haters.

Anti-zionists and anti-colonialists are linked. Colonialism, like slavery is in history. Folks arguing about these things in the past as justification for punishing people today, are ultimately just expressing their hatred of white people.

But they are mostly useful idiots. Those pulling the strings and pushing the propaganda sow this division to advance marxism.


33 posted on 11/16/2023 9:14:22 AM PST by fruser1
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Not a fan of Shapiro. Both of these, Shapiro and Owens went crazy on Crowder when he questioned the Daily Wire’s motives.

That aside, she sounded like some peacenik quoting Scripture. There’s no parity of issue here Candace. The Charter of Hamas explicitly calls for the extermination of jews and Israel. And the PA, who lost control of Hamas and Gaza in 2006 have recently voiced their support for Hamas.

So screw the new nazis on the block. Welcome the new nazis same (or worst) then the old nazis.

Further, what happened to the German people? The Nazis only got 33% of the vote in 1932. Enough for Hitler to be appointed chancellor in 1933. German people had hell and fire bombing on their cities. Hamas wins election and now their nazified population will pay the price. Same with the fascist Japanese population.

So maybe if she stopped being an empty headed peacenik Shapiro wouldnt have mouthed off. I understand his position though more than hers.As nebulous as hers was.


35 posted on 11/16/2023 9:50:26 AM PST by Lent
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She is correct. Where was all this outrage for the blatant anti-White and anti-West rhetoric over the last 10+ years?


37 posted on 11/16/2023 10:01:42 AM PST by Altura Ct. (I’)
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Shapiro’s voice is almost as irritating as a Yoko Ono record.


38 posted on 11/16/2023 10:09:36 AM PST by Ge0ffrey
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There isn’t necessarily a contradiction between what Owens said and what Shapiro believes, but when controversy is one’s bread and butter, one finds irreconcilable conflicts everywhere.


39 posted on 11/16/2023 10:16:22 AM PST by x (Formerly Twitter)
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I’d agree with Owens - and I’m typically not a fan of hers. Shapiro is a Bush/Cheney/Romney/McCain/Crenshaw republican and no friend to real conservatives.


41 posted on 11/16/2023 12:11:14 PM PST by dmam2011
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