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Shifa hospital workers just became VOLUNTARY human shields for Hamas. Does that make them legitimate targets?
EoZ ^ | Oct.29.23

Posted on 10/30/2023 7:54:24 PM PDT by Freeleesy

Shifa hospital workers just became VOLUNTARY human shields for Hamas. Does that make them legitimate targets?

Israel released evidence this weekend showing that Shifa Hospital in Gaza was a Hamas headquarters.



This was not exactly a secret.  Reporters have known this for at least 15 years.

But one thing happened on Saturday which has implications for international law.


Workers at Shifa sang a song saying, "We will not leave."

Meaning, they are saying that even if Israel tells them to leave in order to attack the Hamas targets in the lower levels, they are saying that they would prefer to be human shields for Hamas.

Does this change their civilian status under international law?

One of the giants of international law in war is Yoram Dinstein, and he is quoted in an ICRC monograph by legal scholar Jean-Francois Queguiner as saying "civilians who act as voluntary human shieldscan be regarded as directly participating in hostilities, with the result that they aredeprived of immunity against direct attack and have no effect whatsoever on acommander’s assessment of proportionality."

Israel's' High Court agrees, saying in 1 2006 case that ‘if they do soof their own free will, out of support for the terrorist organization, they should beseen as persons taking direct part in the hostilities.' 

Another legal scholar, Michael N. Schmitt, agrees that voluntary human shields are to be regardedas taking direct part in hostilities, and they lose their protection as civilians, but practically speaking they cannot be directly attacked. However, ‘voluntary shields … are excludedin the estimation of incidental injury when assessing proportionality.’

Other scholars say that the voluntary nature of their human shielding can affect the attacker's calculation of proportionality. In other words, the attacker must ensure that the civilian cost is proportional to the military benefit gained by the attack, and to many legal experts, the value, so to speak, of the voluntary human shields is lower than that of involuntary human shields (or what some call "proximate human shields") of wholly innocent civilians who happen to be between the attacker and the target. And according to some, their value is zero - Israel does not need to worry about killing them once they make clear that they are putting their bodies on the line for Hamas. 

Meaning that by singing this song, to a small extent, these workers just made the hospital a little more likely to be attacked by Israel because their value as potential civilian casualties may be discounted. 

Obviously, this doesn't apply to the involuntary human shields - patients or workers who did not participate in this little song. It doesn't make much of a difference in reality. If Israel decides that the hospital is a hugely important component of Hamas' military operations and sufficiently important Hamas members are under the hospital, it may very well decide to bomb the hospital after repeated warnings. 

But these doctors and workers just cheapened their own lives under international law and they made such an attack a little more, not less, likely. 



TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics
KEYWORDS: gaza; hamas; humanshields; koranimals; palestinians; rashidatlaib; selfinfliction; shifahospital
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1 posted on 10/30/2023 7:54:24 PM PDT by Freeleesy
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To: Freeleesy
Yes.

The translations of the Holy Quran being sold to non Muslims have been altered to make Islam look like a religion of peace.

Read a true translation and you will see this has little to do with politics.

In our world what we call terrorism, in their world is just Muslims doing as the Holy Quran commands them.

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/16955 This is a link to a free book on Gutenberg.org, three translations by 3 Imams of the Holy Quran side by side.

Remember in one memorable scene, one of Scott's lines says it all: As Patton surveys the positive results of the battle in progress between Allied forces and the Nazi army in northern Africa, he proclaims, “Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!”

Every non Muslim needs to read the enemy's book.

Until they do, and then behave accordingly, this madness will never end.

We have some choices:

The Muslims kill or convert all of us.

We kill all of them and destroy every Holy Quran in the world.

They live in their part of the earth and we live in ours, with them not allowed in our part.

2 posted on 10/30/2023 7:56:39 PM PDT by Mogger
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>> Does that make them legitimate targets?

They’re not targets, they’re just in the way.


3 posted on 10/30/2023 7:57:31 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Freeleesy

If they die they die. On them.


4 posted on 10/30/2023 7:58:24 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (A government of the government, by the government, for the government)
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To: Freeleesy

Except that Israel doesn’t target hospitals. This invites Hamas to gather in hospitals, of course, but then at least they’re cornered and not out doing other things.


5 posted on 10/30/2023 7:58:31 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Freeleesy
Oblige them!
6 posted on 10/30/2023 7:59:49 PM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized of man)
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To: Freeleesy

Evacuate the actual sickies and then Nuke it from SPACE.

It’s the only way to be sure.


7 posted on 10/30/2023 8:00:37 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Freeleesy

That is actually participating in the conflict, and Hamas committed a war crime by co-locating with a hospital.

And not one word from The Hague since this started, even with video evidence of war crimes.


8 posted on 10/30/2023 8:01:06 PM PDT by Salvavida
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To: Freeleesy
YES!

Bomb them all to smithereens!

9 posted on 10/30/2023 8:01:08 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Mogger

Where is W Bush when you need him?


10 posted on 10/30/2023 8:01:24 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Freeleesy

Where HAMAS hides, bombs follow. If that were not the case, HAMAS would have taken over far more territory.

I find the term ‘voluntary’ gives me pause. What happens to people who say ‘no’ to Hamas.

But still, this is Hamas choosing to forfeit human lives, not those they’ve attacked.


11 posted on 10/30/2023 8:01:34 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Paladin2

Evacuate NO ONE!


12 posted on 10/30/2023 8:02:22 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Freeleesy

“Does this change their civilian status under international law?”

No it doesn’t. It doesn’t matter whether they are there voluntarily or are prisoners of Hamas. My understanding of International Law gives Israel the RIGHT to attack legitimate military targets, regardless of any civilians that may also be there, regardless of the reason for them being there.


13 posted on 10/30/2023 8:06:44 PM PDT by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: Freeleesy
4th Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, Part 3, Article 1, Section 28:

"The presence of a protected person (aka civilian noncombatant) may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations."

14 posted on 10/30/2023 8:08:09 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Everyone thinks you were executed. Stay dead - you'll live longer. (A. Breakspear, "Carnival Row"))
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To: Freeleesy

“One of the giants of international law in war is Yoram Dinstein, and he is quoted in an ICRC monograph by legal scholar Jean-Francois Queguiner as saying “civilians who act as voluntary human shieldscan be regarded as directly participating in hostilities, with the result that they are deprived of immunity against direct attack and have no effect whatsoever on acommander’s assessment of proportionality.”


I don’t recall any of these “legal experts” or the NeoCons making these arguments when the Russians were attacking the Chechen terrorists and their supporters in Grozny.


15 posted on 10/30/2023 8:09:36 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Freeleesy

That makes them stupid.


16 posted on 10/30/2023 8:12:02 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: Freeleesy

Welp.


17 posted on 10/30/2023 8:14:36 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Freeleesy

Likely as voluntary as, “ we will kill your family if you leave”.


18 posted on 10/30/2023 8:16:01 PM PDT by Jonty30 (It turns out that I did not buy my cell phone for all the calls I might be missing at home.)
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To: Paladin2

In bed with the Muslims like he always has.


19 posted on 10/30/2023 8:24:33 PM PDT by Ronald77
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To: ransomnote

The difference here is the “volunteers” are muslim. They believe if they die in jihad/service to Islam, they are guaranteed paradise. Its the ONLY way they are guaranteed paradise.

So of course, there will be plenty who will volunteer willingly to be “shields”. They believe they get paradise if they are taken out.


20 posted on 10/30/2023 8:25:05 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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