Posted on 10/08/2023 9:03:31 PM PDT by Drew68
Artillery is 90% of all effective firepower. Airborne munitions can't cycle through endless tons of explosive the way arty can, and they cost vastly more.
If this is true and Israel has only 20% its arty stockpile, then Hamas isn't suiciding Gaza on pyre of defiance like people think. They timed this perfectly to lure Israel into writing cheques they can't cash in the hopes Israel will invade Gaza with infantry at which point they can grind them down endlessly with basically unending Arab volunteers in brutal urban warfare... where most of their technological advantage is gone and they won't have the most important 1/3rd of combined arms warfare.
This also would explain the brutality and the focus on taking as many civilian hostages as they can, since Israel can't just leave hundreds of Israeli civilians in Gaza and declare they aren't going to get them back... They're pretty much trapped fighting a ground war with what little artillery they have.
If the 300,000 rounds the US took from Israeli stockpiles to give to Ukraine corresponds to that 80% that Israel's supposedly down then they basically can't sustain combined armed warfare, since the 2014 Gaza war took 34,000 rounds of artillery alone.
Even if they have hundreds of thousands left, they can only use a fraction of them on Gaza since they need enough that they could fight a high intensity war with Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon if they intervene... let alone if Iran and Iraq start sending forces (US invasion handed Iraq to the Shia majority who align with Iran)
So even if they have another 300k artillery shells lying around, at most that'd be tens of thousand of available to actually use on Gaza without risk of being drowned by its rivalled arab neighbors in a multi-nation war.
That means the fighting to "open the gates of hell" or "wipe Gaza off the map" as some commentators are calling for will have to be done by air assets which can't realistically deliver the tonnage, and ground troops who would be dying at horrific ratios as urban settings negate most of the advantage of military tech.
Israel's active duty force only has 20ish thousand infantry in active force, even activating the 400k reserves you can only use a portion since there's the constant threat of a multinational war breaking out, Hezbollah in the north, and the entire west bank that could pop off...
So they have to punish Gaza, extract the hostages or their bodies, and achieve enough objectives to declare victory... against a population of 4 million! +Every radical fighter in the middle-east from Afghanistan to Aberdeen chomping at the bit to get in there... and they'll have to do it with... maybe 10k full time infantry? Maybe 20-30k counting the reservists?
In urban warfare? With limited artillery?
Hamas might actually have them...
They might have actually played their cards right to create the conditions for a Vietnam in the holy lands.
Remember Israel's active force of 169,000 is both genders and conscripts... You start losing a lot of people or start having to reassign 19 year old girls who never wanted to hold a rifle to infantry. that will grind down morale damned fast and tear open Israel's social divisions.. Not least between liberal secular jews who actually serve and the conservative orthodox who dodge the draft through "religious study."
Even 3 days without a meal, people go apesh¡t, despite being able to live 30 days (more for some) without food, but it’s 3 days without water. I doubt they’re great at desalination in large amounts at once.
I’m willing to bet they’ve stockpiled mostly weapons over foodstuffs and water, especially considering dietary restrictions (no pork, halal, etc).
Then again, the pious ones do fast for long periods.
Not to mention, Biden sent American naval assets to the eastern Med to protect Iran from an Israeli attack. Recall that Obama promised Iran to defend it from an attack in the nuclear deal.
Who needs artillery in a city? This article is nonsense.
Consider this, if Israel was serious. 100% of gaza utilities come from Israel. Seal the border with Egypt and the coast. In 2 days no more cameras, lights, internet, everything goes dark. No videoing anything inside the borders of gaza. The world is cut off from anything that happens there. The people who voted for and absolutely love Hamas, including the 100,000s who work in and make a living in Israel, will have to make a decision. They will all starve and die. This is unlike anywhere else on the planet. That land is absolutely barren, there is no food grown there. It is absolutle waste land. Israel is a total miracle food production and supplies gaza with all its food. Its not like they can hold out for a couple of months. Israel can strangle them to death. It would be the shortest siege in military history. Israel walks in and exterminates every single hamas member. Sends rest of population to reeducation. BUT Israel is NOT serious because they are a liberal corrupt people who will fight until another cease fire only for this to happen again in a few more years. The world opinion cant turn against Israel if the world is shut off from seeing what is happening. Israel si.ply needs to make sure the last thing the world sees is what it already has see n this weekend. If they were serious, i.e.stop electing liberals, they could enact their own final solution.
You see glee somewhere on this forum about this? I sure haven’t. One day you’ll realize how your own biases are coloring your perspective of and attitude towards others with whom you disagree. Maybe stepping away from all this will help. I’ve done it before to clear my mind.
Israel has the Nuclear option, and they may need to use that against Iran anyway in the near future, since Iran may have nukes soon.
If/when Iran gets nukes, they will use them.
A lot of numbers and information being thrown about with me having no way of confirming. The ‘argument’ seems rather one-sided based solely on artillery rounds Israel has - or doesn’t.
From my perspective, they don’t need a total-artillery response. First thing to do is cut off all electricity and water and food transport into Gaza. Contain them while targeting any building/service or identifiable capability Hamas might have there. Use air and helicopter assets to keep up the pressure. Gaza’s ‘civilians’ have lost the right to be called that. They knew and many openly or tacitly support what happened.
Hollow out the Gaza Strip. Level all cities in range of Israeli border.
No more Two states—that idea is gone.
Demolish the Mosque on the dome of the rock, and rebuild the Third Temple.
Demolish any mosque that preaches hate. Deport all Palis OK, it will mean you will have to clean your own toilets—but worth it. Israel needs more people—Offer citizenship to Ukrainians.
I’m afraid that Israelis will need to go all Roman here. Bath in blood and push the Islamic people out for good.
The hostages must be thought of as Dead—(Many are) the women forced brides to the Hamas Terrorists—They may prefer death in any case.
If true (and it appears to be), then it is hard to feel sorry for that bunch. However, other innocents...no good.
Drops your bombs among the minarets
Down the casbah way
Rock the casbah!
[will bring Israel to repentance. Then, God will intervene.]
The other way around I think
But it’s going to serve as a bit of a wake-up call to the entire world
Ezekiel 38 will come. You can count on it. It is written in the Word of God.
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Ezekiel 38 is going to happen one of these days. Prophesied about 2,600 years ago. It’s for the Latter Days (v. 16) and the Latter Years (v. 8) (KJV).
Ezekiel 38 KJV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zuYCM0g2kc
Ezekiel 38 King James Version (KJV)
1 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?
15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:
16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
17 Thus saith the Lord God; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?
18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, that my fury shall come up in my face.
19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God: every man’s sword shall be against his brother.
22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord.
Good observation
Not much of a fast. They think that not eating between sun-up and sunset is “a fast.” I call it a normal day of work.
All of her comments are trumped by nuclear weapons Israel has. I think any attempt to annihilate Israel will result in nukes.
Anti ship cruise missiles come to mind first.
“Siege warfare is effective. No electricity. No water. No food.
Followed by bulldozers”
Then, give them tents, and re bulldoze the land so that they might not even gro crops. Offer them safe passage to Iran, the nation of impetus, as an option. Never let even grass grow until then. Move the tents every 8 weeks.
This is why I think Iran already has a bomb or 2. And is desperately struggling to make more, enough to plausibly deter the West from trying to clobber them to prevent more from being made (and used).
You could be right. It was a primary reason we were in Afghanistan, to monitor Iranian nuclear programs.
Lol, connecting dots?
When you get around to it start looking at Russia, Iran, North Korea and Red China, and their shared termite war against the world.
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