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Why no polling out of Kansas?

Posted on 10/14/2022 9:41:46 AM PDT by HamiltonJay

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To: dfwgator

As is often the case the good people are held hostage by the densely populated rats nests.


21 posted on 10/14/2022 10:53:46 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: HamiltonJay
Kansas is more complicated than most people realize. It is solidly Republican but not as conservative as people tend to believe. I see Kansas as divided into three voting blocs: the Economic Republicans (the so-called moderates), the Social Issues Republicans (the conservatives) and the Democrats (all left-leaning types). The two Republican blocs don't like one another but need each other. Too often if the Economic Republicans see the Republican candidate as too socially conservative, they will defect to the Democrat candidate which is what happened four years ago with Laura Kelly sneaking in and with Sabelius twice before. It is this dynamic that probably made the Value Them Both Amendment a landslide loss in August.

Laura Kelly and the Democrats are trying to make this election into a third Sam Brownback term. He is unpopular in the state. His social conservatism caused the Democrats to hate him. The economic Republicans could tolerate his social conservatism if his economic plans worked. They didn't and that combined with his social conservatism made them hate Brownback, too. The association of Kris Kobach to Sam Brownback sunk Kobach's gubernatorial campaign in 2018.

I haven't seen a poll for almost a month. The polls to date have shown a close race with both having the lead in some but none that I recall had either beyond the MOE. Same with Kobach-Mann race for AD. I'm not confident about either of these races given how many Economic Republicans hate social conservatives (like Schmidt and Kobach) more than they hate the Democrats and have a history of stabbing social conservatives in the back come election time. It also hurts Schmidt to have Dennis Pyle running as an independent. He could draw off some hard-core social conservative support that Schmidt probably needs in order to win.

22 posted on 10/14/2022 10:59:42 AM PDT by CommerceComet ("You know why there's a Second Amendment? In case, the government forgets the first." Rush Limbaugh )
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To: dfwgator

You are correct and it is only continuing to get worse in Manhattan.

KSU noticeably swung hard left and woke with President Meyers at the helm. He and that damn Yankee carpetbagging Provost ran it into the ground during Covid. Hopefully, the new President will turn things around? Too soon to say but he is definitely showing signs of being a strong supporter of Agriculture and the philosophies of the Land Grant University.

I am probably one of the very few that I see in town who has a “Lets go Brandon” sticker on his pickup back window.


23 posted on 10/14/2022 11:00:27 AM PDT by Man from Oz
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To: HamiltonJay
He lowered taxes promising the lost revenues would be made up in growth, and the growth never came creating a fiscal mess...

He didn't do this without the Congress. I don't see how he got the full blame.

24 posted on 10/14/2022 11:19:28 AM PDT by fwdude (Society has been fully polarized now, and you have to decide on which pole you want to be found.)
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To: smokingfrog; Governor Dinwiddie; Tommy Revolts

To me, a place is exciting if there is/are:

Open road (lots of it)
GOP state govt
Parks and waterways
Nice wh1te people

Again, I hated KS when I lived there. I was a child Leftwad. But especially since I started riding motorcycles, KANSAS IS GREAT.


25 posted on 10/14/2022 11:27:33 AM PDT by Scarlett156 (Think the Roman Catholic church is "doing fine"..? Come check out my hood someday. #InsanityChurch)
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To: Parley Baer

The Democrat is the incumbent and was leading in that poll.

https://www.kwch.com/2022/09/21/poll-gov-kelly-narrowly-leads-ag-schmidt-kansas-gubernatorial-race/


26 posted on 10/14/2022 11:29:48 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Tommy Revolts

I’ve given up on Kansas, JoCo especially. We’re turning bluer day by day. I’m in Prairie Village and it’s now a liberal wasteland.


27 posted on 10/14/2022 11:45:24 AM PDT by peggybac (My will is what I wanted. God's will is what I got.)
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To: smokingfrog

I love Kansas, except for the damn taxes.


28 posted on 10/14/2022 11:46:48 AM PDT by Old Yeller (A nation of sheep, produces a government of wolves.l)
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To: HamiltonJay

You gotta have a brand first.


29 posted on 10/14/2022 11:47:35 AM PDT by x
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To: Old Yeller
I love Kansas, except for the damn taxes.

I liked Leftoverture.

30 posted on 10/14/2022 11:48:20 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: fwdude

Because it was his idea.. was the one who created abs pushed for it and advocated for it and continued to defend it long after it was evident it didn’t work.

Congress may have passed it but that doesn’t make it his mess.. it was his plan, and he paid the price for it.


31 posted on 10/14/2022 11:52:16 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

One of the republican govenors we had, attempted to cut back on education funding and social benefits for the needy. It upset the entire state so when it was time to vote again, they went with a demoncrat.

This state hasn’t benefitted much by Republican leadership as it should have. The aviation industry still languishes, businesses are still closed with decrepid buildings making the city look like detroit. And there is a major drought so folks aren’t watering their lawns. Grass all over is brown, dry and crispy. Red flag warnings exist for a good part of the state. In the meantime utility bills are through the roof. Nobody can afford to water which intensifys drought. Theres nothing to hold water to the ground and nothing to evaporate to make rain.

Such conditions ebb and flow, but the politicians in charge do nothing to prepare. It doesn’t matter which party is dominant.


32 posted on 10/14/2022 12:27:29 PM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: Dan in Wichita

Yes, thank you.


33 posted on 10/14/2022 12:28:57 PM PDT by Dust in the Wind (Drill, Drill, Drill then refine it.)
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To: HamiltonJay

Nevertheless, The Kansas legislature had to initiate the bill, so they are just as culpable.

Regardless, I will NEVER fault a conservative for trying to lower taxes. Perhaps I would for not lowering expenses at the same time.


34 posted on 10/14/2022 12:40:28 PM PDT by fwdude (Society has been fully polarized now, and you have to decide on which pole you want to be found.)
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To: HamiltonJay

Polls are useless. I’ve not been polled in 30 years


35 posted on 10/14/2022 12:43:05 PM PDT by Osage Orange
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To: Osage Orange

I’ve never been polled I don’t think they poll anybody they just make the s*** up...


36 posted on 10/14/2022 1:10:56 PM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: fwdude

Sorry, but if you refuse to see the mess that Brownback’s economic policies created then you are simply in denial or ignorant.

Like it or not, efficiently or not, governments do things, and when you cut the revenues because you believe in an economic theory that if you cut taxes you will increase revenues by equivalent or more, that in reality did not pan out and cause those services to fail because the state out of money you pay a pretty high price. Brownback was viewed so poorly by the electorate that he didn’t even finish his second term..

The legislature voted to remove his signature tax cuts.. He stupidly vetoed them and the legislature overrode his veto... A republican controlled legislature by the way.

He had a 2/3 disapproval rating in the state, when he ran away to become an ambassador in the Trump administration.

You can cling to your pure ideological belief, but reality was, cutting taxes did NOT raise revenues, and the effect of this disaster was so bad, his own party rescinded his signature law, and overrode his veto of it when he refuse to accept its failing.


37 posted on 10/14/2022 1:22:48 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Osage Orange

The question is not the validity of the polls, the observation is, why so few of them. Don’t confuse the two


38 posted on 10/14/2022 1:24:20 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

You know, I’ll take a conservative governor who made some bad fiscal mistakes over a Democrat any time. Look at what they have now.


39 posted on 10/14/2022 1:27:43 PM PDT by fwdude (Society has been fully polarized now, and you have to decide on which pole you want to be found.)
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To: fwdude

Like it or not Kansas is in far better fiscal shape now than it was at the end of Brownback’s tenure...

At this point you are arguing “orthodoxy”... even a bad republican is better than any democrat... and that’s ludicrous.

If someones bad, they are bad, period, doesn’t matter if they have an R or a D beside their name... Brownback was BAD... so bad, that even the remaining R’s said enough is enough with this failed nonsense.


40 posted on 10/14/2022 1:33:22 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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