Posted on 10/10/2022 8:46:26 AM PDT by Nik Naym
Would someone please define "Neocon"?
I can't quite figure it out based on the usage of the word here on FR. From what I can tell it seems to be anyone who doesn't think Putin is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I know it can't be that.
Where did the term come from, and what exactly does it mean?
“ Would someone please define “Neocon”?”
It’s similar to someone on the left using the word “racist” against a conservative when they don’t have a valid point to make .
A “neocon” is anyone who supports Ukraine. See also, “globohomo”.
They also tend to be sons of famous conservatives, which means they didn't come to the party on abstract principles alone. Possibly, they have to distinguish themselves from their fathers in some way.
Aren’t you thinking of libertarians?
This is consistent with what I’ve always understood neoconservatism, to which neoconservatives or neocons subscribe, to be:
Neoconservatism is a political movement that was born in the United States during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist foreign policy of the Democratic Party and with the growing New Left and counterculture of the 1960s, particularly the Vietnam protests. Some also began to question their liberal beliefs regarding domestic policies such as the Great Society. Neoconservatives typically advocate the promotion of democracy and interventionism in international affairs, including peace through strength, and are known for espousing disdain for communism and political radicalism.[Wikipedia]
No, although Libertarians do tend to like open borders:
Open border lovers:
1. Democrats (may change if Hispanic voting trends toward Republicans continues).
2. Neocons
3. Libertarians
Back To The Top, bumping for more eyes, keeping the thread active.
In practice, it means the person called a neoconservative is supporting a war or a side of a war the person calling them neoconservative objects or is opposed.
Also, and to be clear, William Kristol and The Weekly Standard never had as much influence he thinks he has.
I always understood BTTT to mean “bump to the top” - for the ease of finding the thread in one’s ping list for later viewing or re-reading / monitoring thread changes, etc...
As things go on things change.
I was interacting with some geeks much younger than myself that kept using the word “sigh-sop”. After a while I told them that I was once such a person and the word sysop was “sis opp” from the mainframe position of “systems operator”. They thought it sounded funny and went on with their lives.
Im not someone that should be niggling the way someone else does things, Im someone that refuses to use quotation marks “correctly” and skips apostrophes because Im a lazy typer and it irritates all the right people.
You do you, Im behind you 100%.
I never heard the term until Trump came along. If it existed before, it wasn’t used as widely. They are all anti-Trump because they think they or their father was smarter and higher-class than Trump.
It’s a “class” thing. They have conservative values but “God forbid we should be mistaken for those nouveau riche par venues.”
It’s very un-American in fact.
Never heard it back then, but I’ve only been really paying attention since 1993 or so. In any case, it was not widely used until Trump came along in 2015, and then it was popularized as being anti-Trump and pro-reckless-foreign involvement.
I was a big reader of political mags in high school and college (‘70s); The New Republic, Commentary, National Review, etc. Michael Harrington using it as an insult, Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz using it as a description of their disagreements with the Left.
Long time ago…
The age-ole libertarian saw was the statement, "Let Peaceful People Cross Borders Freely."
Then you hopefully wake up and ask how can anyone determine who is peaceful? Or beyond that, what constitutes an invasion?
That’s really good! True, and funny.
“bump to the top” so that more FReepers will keep seeing it instead of letting it roll down off of the screen
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