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The Decline And Fall Of The American Empire: Although America is not an Empire, Still, There are some similarities between the U.S. and Rome.
International Man ^ | 09/24/2022 | Doug Casey

Posted on 09/24/2022 4:50:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

As some of you know, I’m an aficionado of ancient history. I thought it might be worthwhile to discuss what happened to Rome and based on that, what’s likely to happen to the U.S. Spoiler alert: There are some similarities between the U.S. and Rome.

But before continuing, please seat yourself comfortably. This article will necessarily cover exactly those things you’re never supposed to talk about—religion and politics—and do what you’re never supposed to do, namely, bad-mouth the military.

There are good reasons for looking to Rome rather than any other civilization when trying to see where the U.S. is headed. Everyone knows Rome declined, but few people understand why. And, I think, even fewer realize that the U.S. is now well along the same path for pretty much the same reasons, which I’ll explore shortly.

Rome reached its peak of military power around the year 107, when Trajan completed the conquest of Dacia (the territory of modern Romania). With Dacia, the empire peaked in size, but I’d argue it was already past its peak by almost every other measure.

The U.S. reached its peak relative to the world, and in some ways its absolute peak, as early as the 1950s. In 1950 this country produced 50% of the world’s GNP and 80% of its vehicles. Now it’s about 21% of world GNP and 5% of its vehicles. It owned two-thirds of the world’s gold reserves; now it holds one-fourth. It was, by a huge margin, the world’s biggest creditor, whereas now it’s the biggest debtor by a huge margin. The income of the average American was by far the highest in the world; today it ranks about eighth, and it’s slipping.

But it’s not just the U.S.—it’s Western civilization that’s in decline. In 1910 Europe controlled almost the whole world—politically, financially, and militarily. Now it’s becoming a Disneyland with real buildings and a petting zoo for the Chinese. It’s even further down the slippery slope than the U.S.

Like America, Rome was founded by refugees—from Troy, at least in myth. Like America, it was ruled by kings in its early history. Later, Romans became self-governing, with several Assemblies and a Senate. Later still, power devolved to the executive, which was likely not an accident.

U.S. founders modeled the country on Rome, all the way down to the architecture of government buildings, the use of the eagle as the national bird, the use of Latin mottos, and the unfortunate use of the fasces—the axe surrounded by rods—as a symbol of state power. Publius, the pseudonymous author of The Federalist Papers, took his name from one of Rome’s first consuls. As it was in Rome, military prowess is at the center of the national identity of the U.S. When you adopt a model in earnest, you grow to resemble it.

A considerable cottage industry has developed comparing ancient and modern times since Edward Gibbon published The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire in 1776—the same year as Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations and the U.S. Declaration of Independence were written. I’m a big fan of all three, but D&F is not only a great history, it’s very elegant and readable literature. And it’s actually a laugh riot; Gibbon had a subtle wit.

There have been huge advances in our understanding of Rome since Gibbon’s time, driven by archeological discoveries. There were many things he just didn’t know, because he was as much a philologist as an historian, and he based his writing on what the ancients said about themselves.

There was no real science of archeology when Gibbon wrote; little had been done even to correlate the surviving ancient texts with what was on the surviving monuments—even the well-known monuments—and on the coins. Not to mention scientists digging around in the provinces for what was left of Roman villas, battle sites, and that sort of thing. So Gibbon, like most historians, was to a degree a collector of hearsay.

And how could he know whom to believe among the ancient sources? It’s as though William F. Buckley, Gore Vidal, H. L. Mencken, Norman Mailer, and George Carlin all wrote about the same event, and you were left to figure out whose story was true. That would make it tough to tell what really happened just a few years ago… forget about ancient history. That’s why the study of history is so tendentious; so much of it is “he said/she said.”

In any event, perhaps you don’t want a lecture on ancient history. You’d probably be more entertained by some guesses about what’s likely to happen to the U.S. I’ve got some.

Let me start by saying that I’m not sure the collapse of Rome wasn’t a good thing. There were many positive aspects to Rome—as there are to most civilizations. But there was much else to Rome of which I disapprove, such as its anti-commercialism, its militarism and, post-Caesar, its centralized and increasingly totalitarian government. In that light, it’s worth considering whether the collapse of the U.S. might not be a good thing.

So why did Rome fall? In 1985, a German named Demandt assembled 210 reasons. I find some of them silly—like racial degeneration, homosexuality, and excessive freedom. Most are redundant. Some are just common sense—like bankruptcy, loss of moral fiber, and corruption.Read more here...



TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Society
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1 posted on 09/24/2022 4:50:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The Decline And Fall Of The American Empire: Although America is not an Empire

I told you so.

2 posted on 09/24/2022 4:54:22 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: SeekAndFind

I dunno. When I attend an NFL game and feel the electricity inside the stadium it confirms my attitudes-the football players are gladiators and this is Rome.


3 posted on 09/24/2022 4:55:25 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: SeekAndFind

Lots of similarities between the US and Rome.


4 posted on 09/24/2022 5:05:05 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: DIRTYSECRET

RE: When I attend an NFL game and feel the electricity inside the stadium it confirms my attitudes-the football players are gladiators and this is Rome

Who are the Lions?


5 posted on 09/24/2022 5:05:23 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“Although America is not an empire”

Check your premises.


6 posted on 09/24/2022 5:06:24 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And manly hearts to guard the fair)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

We don’t throw Christians to lions....yet.

But we do have a fiddling BideNero in the White House, and we’ve already had Clintigula.


7 posted on 09/24/2022 5:07:45 PM PDT by seowulf (Civilization begins with order, grows with liberty, and dies with chaos...Will Durant)
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To: SeekAndFind
I am a die-hard patriot, but I have pretty much lost faith. The country used to promote sacrifice, hard work, discipline...

Now, people have to wear huge elastic sweat pants in order to go to the super market to use the EBT's that the goverment has bestowed upon them. And they still hate this country. God forbid they have to actually WALK down the aisle.

No self respect, and no respect for this country. Anything that has made this country great - freedom, self-reliance, honor, piety, is immediately trashed.

God forbid that you love our traditions, the internal combustion engine, woman, meat, American sports, guns or traditional family values.

Someone comes along who wants to champion these traditions has to be destroyed legally, personally and politically. The deck is stacked, and we will limp along for a hundred years or so.

8 posted on 09/24/2022 5:10:09 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: SeekAndFind

It ended with passage of the 1965 immigration act. Accelerated by open borders.


9 posted on 09/24/2022 5:11:53 PM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: SeekAndFind

There are many, many differences between The Roman Empire and The United States.

What has not changed is the behavior of humans.

The same emotions are present,


10 posted on 09/24/2022 5:14:10 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: SeekAndFind

*We don’t throw Christians to lions....yet.*

We’re past that. They had duels to the death. Their reward was freedom but only if they won. The combatants were slaves. Today’s football players are millionaires.

One of the old guys at work said they had young boys sit on pegs all day so that at night they could F them in the butthole. True?


11 posted on 09/24/2022 5:16:07 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: SeekAndFind

12 posted on 09/24/2022 5:18:12 PM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: SeekAndFind
I think we can argue America entered its Principate with the accession of Roosevelt in 1933; since then, the president has reigned supreme over the Congress,

America has a 4th branch of government, unelected, and supremely powerful - the deep state. As he mentions this is the Praetorians. Them installing the vegetable Biden as President made it official.

13 posted on 09/24/2022 5:18:27 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind

Who are the Lions?

All I know is they are 1 and 1 and tied with the entire division.


14 posted on 09/24/2022 5:25:46 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: PROCON

+1


15 posted on 09/24/2022 5:26:38 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: PGR88
I disagree.

The President does not rule the Congress.

It is the deep state which rules, with the Media.

The deep state (intelligence groups and the unelected bureaucracy, with the Media, select and approve of presidential candidates.

Which is why they hated Trump so much.

16 posted on 09/24/2022 5:31:30 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: DIRTYSECRET

The Roman promoters really did things right
They needed a show that would clearly excite
The attendance was sparse so they put on a fight
Threw the Christians to the lions, sold out every night

The Kinks (Give The People What They Want)


17 posted on 09/24/2022 5:34:38 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Navy Patriot

The Neocons certainly gave it their best...but Russia, India, China, and many other countries simply don’t want to answer to them.

So now the ONLY QUESTION remaining is whether the Neocons can back away quietly, or whether they need to go out with a nuclear war. We’ll likely see which option they choose, quite soon.


18 posted on 09/24/2022 5:41:21 PM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Latvia: 43 degrees)
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To: SeekAndFind

Our version of bread and circuses crushes the roman version. We did things like making the poorest the most likely to be obese and created a passive screen culture that allows effortless entertainment right in the home.

FReegards


19 posted on 09/24/2022 5:43:51 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: imabadboy99
It goes deeper than that. We've become a spiritual wasteland devoid of any moral compass.

Isa 1:4,7: .....sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward. Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

Dan 4:17: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

20 posted on 09/24/2022 5:46:55 PM PDT by LouAvul (Complacency is the enemy of courage.)
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