Posted on 03/14/2022 7:12:56 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
There is no encirclement of Kiev. To storm the city by the Russian Federation, you need to throw all available human resources here, - Chairman of the VA Zhirnov
The forces of those who are trying to take Kiev should be 5-7 times greater than those who are defending themselves. The enemy must create an inner and Outer Ring of encirclement.
This was stated in an interview with the publication "NV" by the head of the military administration of the capital Nikolai Zhirnov. No with reference to the press center of the General Staff.
"As the head of the military administration of Kiev and as a military man, I can assure you for sure that Kiev is not under siege. There is no encirclement of the city," he said.
According to him, most of all where the enemy has advanced in the Zhytomyr direction is Yasnogorodka. But then it was stopped. Despite the advantage in manpower and weapons, the enemy could not get out and take control of the Odessa Highway. The situation is similar in the Obukhov and Boryspil directions.
"We recorded the exit of the columns, the Armed Forces struck. The enemy suffered losses, went on the defensive and regrouped. We control the eastern and southern parts of the region. Every city in the Kiev region, our neighbors are strongholds where our military and all residents stand up for their homes, streets and neighborhoods," adds Zhirnov.
Commenting on the situation in the area of Gostomel and Irpen, he noted that at the beginning of a full-scale war, we did not have enough troops concentrated in this direction to stop the enemy on the border. That is why the enemy was able to reach the borders of the Irpen River.
"But now the Armed Forces of Ukraine have stopped the enemy, suffered significant losses. Every day for the enemy is hell, the armed forces and territorial defense destroy the enemy from within. We deal damage to its rear, communications, and equipment. Now the invaders do not have enough resources.
The moral and psychological state of the enemy is low and does not allow him to perform his tasks. In this regard, the enemy suspended offensive operations on the capital in this direction. I repeat, the enemy does not have enough forces to continue the offensive," the head of the military administration claims.
He also recalls that there were military operations in Vasylkiv and Baryshevka.
"The invaders suffered losses of personnel and equipment and refused to advance further. These territories are completely under our control. That is, from the eastern and southern sides of Kiev, the enemy has no advantages," says Zhirnov.
"According to all military canons, in order to take over Kiev, the enemy must create an internal and external ring of encirclement. The forces of those who are trying to take Kiev should be 5-7 times greater than those who are defending themselves. The troops that are part of the inner ring should storm Kiev, and those that are part of the outer ring should provide security from unblocking troops.
Now the city has an extremely large group of troops, so now, in order to create a group, the enemy must collect all available human resources and bring them to Kiev. For example, during the Second World War, it took 2 million people and 42 thousand artillery barrels to storm Berlin. Therefore, now it is extremely difficult to create such a group that would storm Kiev, even for a country like Russia," he continues.
The reasoning is faulty. The Russians need not tightly invest Kiev if the region around it is devastated and without food and military supplies that can be brought into the city.
The propaganda dept is about to announce that Ukraine Forces have encircled Moscow and the Kremlin is about to capitulate.
“At this point it is clear that Putin has no way to take the major cities.”
I don’t think Russia has a need to “take” the major cities.
They just need to show they could if they wanted to.
And surrounding a major city with 1,000 artillery pieces and 1,000 tanks shows that amply.
I do hope Putin’s generals are as clueless as you are.
Look at how many men it took to take Kiev in 1941 or 1943. The forces Putin is assembling is not a siege. It is an isolated collection of targets.
Here you go:
Did you see this? Parody: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4UM2IkfB0o
Sure seems like it to me.
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Yes. You are absolutely right. Esp since 2014 folk do’t know the truth because of Russian social media propaganda
Thank you for telling the truth. Similar to what I hear from friends in Ukraine. Many pro Putin propagandists on FR these days.
Fake NorseViking is an admitted Russian. Just wanted to let you know that fact.
“Look at how many men it took to take Kiev in 1941 or 1943.”
Apparently you believe modern Ukrainian society is as stalwart as the society in WWII. I find the notion absurd.
Additionally, again, it is not necessary to “take” a city if you want to demonstrate control and the ability to do so if necessary.
50,000 men, 1,000 tubes and 1,000 tanks on their doorstep demonstrates a lot of reality:
- The ability to move force and place it where desired. And keep it there, reinforce it a necessary.
- The ability to enforce blockade.
While 1,000 tubes and 1,000 tanks MAY not be enough to “take” Kiev, it’s enough to level it to the ground. All of it.
Because the Russians can keep shipping fuel and munitions at will, indefinitely. And everyone knows it.
And there’s no relief column on its way. They don’t even have the small hope of Vercingetorix and the Russians don’t have to protect their flank.
While I can understand the romantic hope of a noble people in their grand redoubt holding off the evil assault, the reality is Ukraine will soon be forced to capitulation and surrender.
“And there’s no relief column on its way.”
There is, and it is a big one. Ukrainian women and children are fleeing, but the men are staying to fight.
Ukraine has 7 million military aged men. Across western Ukraine vast numbers of them are being armed and trained each day.
The first of these new units are already entering the battle and it is these forces that push the Russians out of Mykolaiv today.
Time is not on Putin’s side.
It’s the Western media that is playing the role of Baghdad Bob.
You're utter clueless as to what the Russians are doing. But, that's what happens if all you did is listen to propaganda that even Fox News minus Tucker is spewing.
The Russians have 60,000 Ukrainian troops in "cauldron" in Eastern Ukraine. They or Zelensky either surrender or they die. The city of Mariupol, home base of the neo-Nazi Azov fighters is surrounded and Russians are in the process of cleaning it out of Azov fighters. The Eastern half of the country is close to being under total Russian control, including the south part with access to the sea.
Kiev and Kharkiv are surrounded and the Russians will turn heat up a cauldron there but only if Zelensky doesn't surrender.
Russian has only used about 15-30% of its troops.
All this is why Zelensky keeps agreeing to negotiations.
“The Russians have 60,000 Ukrainian troops in “cauldron” in Eastern Ukraine.”
Question for you the brilliant strategist:
1) How many troops do the Russians have surrounding those 60,000?
2) What ratio of attackers to defenders is needed for such a plan to succeed?
The current force in country has no way to enact such a plan. Russia needs to move more troops in, but that requires more supplies.
In a couple of months they could do so, but they have no quick path to victory.
“the reality is Ukraine will soon be forced to capitulation and surrender.”
I have no idea exact number. But, they are surrounded.
I don't know that because I am brilliant strategist. I know that because I'm not listening to one-side propaganda like you are.
The Russians have used a similar strategy in war repeatedly -- surround their enemy, force negotiation and surrender.
The false narratives that media spins about conservatives, they are spinning about this war. The only difference is Fox News minus Tucker is joining in.
I guess you'll be shocked when Russia wins the war. There is absolutely no doubt that is going to happen.
I am surprised and honored by the consistency of your comment. Reminds me of the Sinatra song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOOKCKLmV9Y
Are they paying you ?
Renfrew — looks like you were correct. The VDV paratroopers got their a$$e$ handed to them
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