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My 82 year old, unvaxxed, friend Dave caught the virus
11/05/2021

Posted on 11/05/2021 6:34:17 AM PDT by Az Joe

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To: Az Joe

I would like to think that most of us who have chosen not to receive their government sponsored ‘inoculations’, believe in freedom, that EVERYONE should have the right to CHOOSE to be inoculated or not, WITHOUT the heavy handed coercion of government to take the vax.

AFA your taking, as you say, possibly four or five inoculations, I feel that is your RIGHT to CHOOSE, and I wish you well. I respect your choice. AFA your friend, Dave, I wish him well in his recovery, and I respect his choice, not to partake in the inoculations.

As for me, I have discovered that all four ‘approved’ inoculations in Canada (AstraZeneca, J&J, Moderna, and Pfizer), though not containing ‘fetal cells’, all use ‘fetal cell lines’ (cell lines originally obtained from murdered, pre-born babies) in their R&D, producing, or testing. Because of my beliefs, I will NOT ‘benefit’ from the murder of an innocent murdered child.


61 posted on 11/05/2021 7:38:59 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (Ceterum autem censeo Justinius True-dope-us esse delendam)
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To: GMThrust

Ironic, I just read Acts 4:32 this morning.


62 posted on 11/05/2021 7:43:49 AM PDT by stevio
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To: wardaddy

Exactly. And also why people should get vaccinated. A very slight risk of personal sacrifice, for a very high chance of protecting others from harm.


63 posted on 11/05/2021 7:45:33 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: BipolarBob
Check out post #45.

My comments on this thread are being deleted, so I see no point in further debate.

64 posted on 11/05/2021 7:48:13 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: HighSierra5

Did you have any type of treatments?


65 posted on 11/05/2021 7:48:19 AM PDT by Tommy Revolts
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To: babble-on

How exactly is it protecting anyone when viral loads are the same for vaxed and unvaxed? Here is a liberal source if you question my facts.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/double-jabbed-carry-same-viral-load-of-covid-as-unvaccinated/ar-AANuNXh

How can you say that with a straight face when the symptoms are lesser in some vaxed leading them to be out and about spreading the virus longer before realizing they are sick?

“You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t cure stupid.”

Apparently critical thinking has never been taught in this country and it isn’t just a recent educational shortcoming.


66 posted on 11/05/2021 7:57:09 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
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To: HighSierra5

“I got covid three weeks ago and started getting better last week. I’m still recovering but this wasn’t any worse than some other flus I’ve had in my life. Totally overrated.“

You’re not alone. I had it JUST prior to them giving it a scary name and opening the relentless campaign telling us to “fear for our lives and DO WHAT THEY TELL US!!!”…

Yeah, it was an annoying upper respiratory thing. I’ve had much worse in years past and until last year, we ALL took these things in stride. It’s a part of life on this planet.

We have a government and media who have PROVEN that they will lie to us at every turn in order to accomplish THEIR agenda.

WHY on earth are we to believe them now? Why do so many still believe them?
They’ve been caught fudging the numbers.
Why fudge numbers if the danger is a reality?

Spent this past summer attending my Mother-in-law’s hospital stay during her final bout with cancer. - They put her in the “Covid” ward; an entire floor “dedicated” for the Covid onslaught….
At home in the evenings, we heard non-stop how the Delta variant was wiping us all out, left and right; OVERWHELMING hospitals!….

During our visits - ALL summer long, we counted no more than FOUR rooms on the Covid ward - actually being used for Covid patients.

This is a rather large hospital.

But hey, let’s put our undying trust and faith in our beloved politicians and media personalities…. THEY know, right?

Don’t believe your own eyes… after all, they tell us daily that we are in-educated idiots who couldn’t tie our own shoes without their help..


67 posted on 11/05/2021 7:58:14 AM PDT by joethedrummer (We can’t vote our way out of this, folks..)
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To: dljordan

I hate it...HATE it when writers described dystopian futures, and you see them coming to pass in reality as described...


68 posted on 11/05/2021 8:01:44 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists are The Droplet of Sewage in a gallon of ultra-pure clean water.)
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To: Az Joe
I still fail to see what your rant is really about. You do say:

Now if he had been vaxxed the chances of him having a much less severe case of the virus may have been greatly enhanced.

I did notice that you used the qualifier MAY, which indicates to me that you are not even sure what the value of these "vaccines" are in the fight against this gain-of-function virus.

I am delighted to know that you have had no adverse effects from your 3 doses of unknown "vaccines". However, there are millions worldwide who have had catastrophic adverse reactions up to and including death.

But I am not really sure who are raising their ugly heads. However, I think what you said in the following may be what your rant is about:

I find it warped and perverted that those who are most strident, most adamant about people taking the vax seem to enjoy it the most with glee when people who do not get vaxxed are fired, kicked out of school, banished from the public square, and they seem especially happy when that person falls ill to the virus. All one has to do is surf the many political forums online to see this sick phenomena. The real pandemic is the darkness and perversion in the hearts and souls of these types of people. There is only one side of the political spectrum that does this. THAT is a stone cold FACT.

If that is the case then I completely agree with you. They are sick perverse scared individuals that need a good dose of their own activity heaped upon them to experience what they gleefully make others experience because of their beliefs.

No vaccine mandates. They are not only needed, they are completely destructive. Same goes for face masks that do absolutely nothing to offer protection against the virus.

69 posted on 11/05/2021 8:02:35 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: The Duke

“I suspect the medical protocol killed him more than the virus.“

BINGO!!!

The worst thing one can do if they catch the Covid is to run to the hospital.

Treat it like every OTHER flu you’ve had. See a doctor, but stay OUT of the hospital. The Duke is absolutely correct.


70 posted on 11/05/2021 8:04:14 AM PDT by joethedrummer (We can’t vote our way out of this, folks..)
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To: Az Joe

You have told us everything about your good buddy Dave except for his treatment regimen. If he had either The HCQ protocol, Ivermectin, or a monoclonal infusion and oral steroid he should have recovered nicely by now.


71 posted on 11/05/2021 8:04:55 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: BipolarBob
Post 4: Doesn’t Christianity have at its base the idea that we all must restrain ourselves from pursuing our every desire, in order that the community does not suffer the consequences from our negative impulses?

Not in the least.

72 posted on 11/05/2021 8:07:25 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free
I have a Nebulizer and Ivermectin on hand. I take whole food multivitamins with extra C, D, and Zinc. In addition, Probiotics and a routine of Quercetin with periodic breaks.

I have never worn a mask and will not get the experimental gene inoculation.

The Lord is my shepherd.

73 posted on 11/05/2021 8:11:29 AM PDT by Tommy Revolts
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To: mac_truck

So are you going to deny basic medical care to smokers, alcoholics, and the obese?

Those are all self-inflicted conditions that the person has control over that place a burden on society and health care.

By your logic, they should be denied medical care, too.

You make a great commie.


74 posted on 11/05/2021 8:11:57 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: babble-on

But it doesn’t

The only thing it might do is lessen severity and frankly I’m skeptical

I’ve seen four folks under sixty with zero comorbidity I knew here in Nashville area die from delta variant ....which frankly woke me up that it kills ....for me Covid was only phlegm for 36 hours but I dosed on HCQ etc heavily

Two were fully vaxxed

It stands to reason sick vaxxed folks spread it same as non vaxxed

Nations like Israel and the UK and Holland which are nearly 95% vaxxed are still having it and spreading it and folks vaxxed and dying

I know literally a dozen folks vaxxed who still got it

Vermont and Maine...suoervaxxed states with huge outbreaks still

I had it 18 months ago and my antibodies are at 19....quite high per that test means

Yet vax mandate adherents want me vaxxed too....even though my antibodies 18 months later are damn sure higher than their vaxxed ones

And now children

This vax has side effects.....blood clots for one...and I already have pulmonary embolisms which last forever and take eliquis for

The left sees Covid as a means for

Expansion of govt power...

Election fraud via mail in relaxed provisos

If the vax worked these fully vaxed environs would not have the outbreaks they have

I’m not anti vax....I’m pro vax that works

I’m against forcing folks...a simple inactive virus vax that works would have plenty support

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why

https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/10/31/vermont-covid-spike-despite-high-vaccinations/

https://www.verywellhealth.com/cdc-report-vaccinated-breakthrough-infections-5195483

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=vaccinated+still+get+covid&va=b&t=hc&ia=web

It’s truly ridiculous the full court press of big tech and media and govt to suppress the truth about all this to empower the left

Don’t fall for it


75 posted on 11/05/2021 8:12:00 AM PDT by wardaddy (Too many uninformed ..and scolds here )
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To: Az Joe

Here’s an interesting perspective on why the push for the kiddy jabs: https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/heres-the-real-reason-comirnaty-is


76 posted on 11/05/2021 8:13:27 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: mac_truck

“Unvaccinated Covid patients that end up in the hospital ARE a burden on the rest of society.”

And vaccinated Covid patients AREN’T a burden on society?

“If you don’t trust doctors who tell you to take the vaccine, then why do you run to them when you catch the virus?”

I think that ship has sailed when it comes to “running to the doctor” for ANYTHING except broken bones. Most of us no longer trust doctors considering the last 18 months. They are politicians now, and not healthcare providers. When doctors purposely try to murderer us with mystery serum, and withhold life-saving drugs they aren’t trustworthy.

“Make your freedom bed and lie in it!”

We don’t “make” our freedom. Our freedom comes from God. Those who try to steal it are tyrants.


77 posted on 11/05/2021 8:13:49 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (When government fears the people, there is liberty.)
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To: mac_truck
However, none of those vices are closing down hospital surgeries so unvaccinated Covid patients can be attended to.

Which is strictly a decision that is laid at the feet of hospital administration, not the alleged virus.

78 posted on 11/05/2021 8:15:01 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: Az Joe

ok then


79 posted on 11/05/2021 8:15:46 AM PDT by Pollard (PureBlood -- youtube.com/watch?v=VXm0fkDituE)
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To: babble-on
A very slight risk of personal sacrifice, for a very high chance of protecting others from harm.

What a load of crap.

The vaxxes don’t even protect those who received them. How is my getting a so-called vaccine that doesn’t stop me from catching COVID or transmitting COVID going to protect anyone?

80 posted on 11/05/2021 8:17:41 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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