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swedish study shows covid vaccines drop below zero efficacy on spread by about 200 days
Bad Cattitude ^ | 10/28/2021 | el gato malo

Posted on 10/28/2021 11:39:57 AM PDT by Mount Athos

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To: Mount Athos
Figure 2, from the article, was very interesting. For people under 18, the unvaccinated were seven or eight times MORE likely to get Covid, and among people 18 to 29, the unvaccinated were about 40% MORE likely to get Covid. But for most other (older) age groups, the unvaccinated were about 40% LESS likely to get Covid. The only exception was 80+, were the unvaccinateed only had about a 10% less chance of getting Covid.

So what - if anything - can we conclude? Well, if unvaccinated young people are far more likely to get Covid than the vaccinated, AND also UNLIKELY to have a serious case of Covid, AND develop natural immunity superior to what the vaccines provide, AND are less likely to develop Covid as they grow older, the case for universal vaccination seems to be called into question.
21 posted on 10/28/2021 12:03:23 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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Nice!!! All the dhimmiRats that rushed to get the vaccine are all unvaxxed!!!


22 posted on 10/28/2021 12:04:30 PM PDT by dsrtsage ( Complexity is just simple lacking imaginationd)
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To: Enlightened1

It most definitely is not a vaccine.

At best, it’s a palliative, meant to mask the worst symptoms of COVID. That’s worse than a vaccine because the infected person then has the false security of being “safe” around others.


23 posted on 10/28/2021 12:05:52 PM PDT by fwdude (Proudly UNvaxxed )
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" . . . the infected person then has the false security of being “safe” around others."

I noticed in my local bar that some of the vaccinated people seem to be among the most "promiscuous" about getting in your personal space. But I can't go there now anyway because of a vax mandate in our county for bar and restaurant customers.
24 posted on 10/28/2021 12:09:36 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Magnum44

It is proof that Medicine is dead - having been replaced by laboratory science.

Look up Marek’s disease.

This should have never have gotten out of a lab, but then neither should the virus.


25 posted on 10/28/2021 12:10:48 PM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Mount Athos

Good article (as far as I can tell as a medical layman). Ping.


26 posted on 10/28/2021 12:11:53 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: jerod

Not really.

A recent study in medRxiv showed that all three vaccines showed waning effectiveness after six months - Johnson & Johnson dropped from 88% to 3%, Pfizer dropped from 91% to 50%, and Moderna from 92% to 64%

Cohn, B., Cirillo, P, Murphy, C., Nickilou, K, & Wallace, A. (2021,October 13). Breakthrough SARS-CoV-2 infections in 620,000 U.S. Veterans, February 1, 2021 to August 13, 2021. medRxiv https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.10.13.21264966


27 posted on 10/28/2021 12:15:55 PM PDT by LilFarmer
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To: Little Ray

Big difference between ten weeks and ten years.


28 posted on 10/28/2021 12:16:10 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Empire_of_Liberty
Look up Marek’s disease.

Thank you. It didnt help me understand the mechanism, but it did help in understanding the phenomena.

29 posted on 10/28/2021 12:21:48 PM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: Mount Athos

The waning efficacy has been known since before the EUAs were issued. First jab drops to the low 40% range after five weeks. I presume that is one of the reasons they made them 2-dose jabs spaced four weeks apart.


30 posted on 10/28/2021 12:24:37 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Magnum44

It is not a vaccine in the sense we generally think.
It’s a pre-treatment in case you do catch the virus.


31 posted on 10/28/2021 12:27:38 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: DuncanWaring

Yes, there is.
And others have pointed out that Tetanus is a bacteria, not a virus.


32 posted on 10/28/2021 12:29:48 PM PDT by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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To: Magnum44

IT is an experimental genetic therapy.
The mRNA carries instructions for cells to build antibodies for the ‘spike’ proteins of COVID-19. But the mRNA is used up when it is ‘read’ to pass on those instructions. The mRNA is not being reproduced itself, so eventually the supply runs out and the antibodies stop being produced.
I think.


33 posted on 10/28/2021 12:33:43 PM PDT by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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To: Mount Athos

Just like the Polio vaccine. 🤣🤣🤣

JK

The reason is that it is not a vaccine.


34 posted on 10/28/2021 12:36:37 PM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: DuncanWaring

And there is a big difference between gangrene and lipstick.

(reference to old joke)


35 posted on 10/28/2021 12:37:33 PM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: monkeyshine
My (non-medical) understanding has been that unlike a vaccine using a dead virus to train the immune system to develop antibodies, this 'vaccine' makes your own cells create the spike proteins that your immune system then builds antibodies for. That lab created genetic spike protein is not a perfect match to the COVID-19 virus spike protein, and of course it cant be as a virus evolves. I am sure there are lots of details I have wrong or have left out, this not being my area of expertise at all.

I guess you could call it a 'pre-treatment' as you refer, as it is touted to minimize the impacts of catching the real thing.

What I was hoping was that someone smart here could explain why the effects are so short lived. I am only able to guess. There are some fundamentals about the relationship between the virus and the spike proteins that still allude me.

36 posted on 10/28/2021 12:38:00 PM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: Mount Athos

Beginning to look like the unvaxed are the smart ones.


37 posted on 10/28/2021 12:38:11 PM PDT by bray (Our patience is wearing thin Joe)
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To: Little Ray

I guess thats similar to my simple understanding. I just dont have an understanding of why a real vaccine can continue to produce antibodies years later where this one does not. Maybe the mRNA process is bypassing a critical step required by the immune system to ‘remember’ the antibody production process???


38 posted on 10/28/2021 12:41:49 PM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: bray

Beginning?


39 posted on 10/28/2021 12:43:38 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Magnum44

In most of my comments online I refer to it as a “semi-vaccine”. It (they) clearly have some characteristics of a proper vaccine but not all. This is principally because the semi-vaccines target only a single protein on the antigen (spike protein), not the overall antigen as established real vaccines do. This single-protein thing is why no successful coronavirus vaccines had been developed over all these years. The overall antigen seems not to be amenable as a target. When this has been tried in veterinary research the result was a lot of dead lab animals.


40 posted on 10/28/2021 12:44:33 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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