find a small, preferably home-based FFL — one who still keeps paper records — and transact exclusively with that FFL dealer.
Good advice any time, but especially with a virulent anti-2A fascist (David Chipman) running the ATF.
Guns? What guns?
No, no, no, those are replicas....
You know, like from hollywood...
Bkmrk.
The ATF BETTER NOT HAVE A LIST.
Well...
“they” know some of the guns that I have...
“they” think I have some guns that I don’t have anymore...
and...I have some guns that “they” don’t know that I have...
The BATFE has been illegally collecting the information for decades. They know what firearms you have purchased.
Let them try to prove you didn't sell it....
Of course, that's one reason that requiring paperwork for private sales is a red line, because it is a necessary prerequisitw to confiscation.
One in 5 or 6, maybe, and I will admit to them that I own at least 4 so that concludes I have at least 20, so, no.
They have a list or access to registered firearms or legally purchased firearms.
I thought the advice was never, ever talk to a Federal agent, about anything?
Have you noticed that when you search for tires that every ad you see is related to tires? I’m 67. It seems that practically everything I see online is targeted at my age group. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The computer knows more about you than you’d guess possible. Practically everyone is using datamining to target their advertising. Hardly anyone uses newspapers or flyers anymore as targeted advertising is so much superior.
The government uses datamining*. Let’s say you ordered three hundred rounds of 9mm. Later, you ordered a laser for your gun. Even if the government does not know you what gun you own (I used a local FFL who keeps his data on a spiral notebook) it’s pretty easy to find out that you do own a gun. Also, the FFL calls in** and does the check with the FBI. Do they keep records? Even if they don’t it’s pretty easy to find out what you have.
Now, are they going to come take it away when they make guns illegal? No. Confiscation is not the plan. Making you into a criminal so they can take your voting rights away is the plan. They don’t even want you in prison...unless you’re about to win office somewhere.
* Here’s an example of datamining. Let’s say there’s a murder in San Francisco. The only clue is a partial print. It’s not enough for a positive match as some 10,000 people match the tiny sample they have. Then, they engage the computers and full speed ahead. Using datamining they do a search of the credit cards and find that 9,500 of the potential suspects have used their credit cards recently and too far away to make them plausible suspects. A search of death records and hospital stays eliminates about 300 more. They’re down to just 200 suspects. A search of phone records puts three of them within a relatively close proximity. On the Thursday before one of those suspects had lunch in the same restaurant as the deceased. They also belong to the same health club.
** So, the first time I sat in my FFL’s kitchen while he called in the FBI check, he got this panicked look and said, “What do you mean keep him here?! Then he looked over at me and said, “I’m on hold.”
Be realistic.
They track your CC purchases. You buy 9mm or 5.56 ammo you are flagged in the system as owning a handgun or an AR.
Also realize that my “paranoia” in saying that is nothing compared to the real paranoia of those tracking all things firearm related. These people are nucking futs and very dangerous.
They definitely know what ones I bought FROM DEALERS and the CMP in the last 20 years. Not those I traded for, person to person.
They probably have a huge list of those I used to own but no longer have that I traded off since 1968.
Everyone should inventory their firearms to see which ones DO NOT have a paper trail.
Can't even make it through the first sentence without repeating himself. Is there a new law that prohibits reading over something you wrote before mashing the post button?
“Does The ATF Have a List of Guns that You Own?”
Doesn’t matter. Gun-owning veterans and hunters are better trained and better shots than the ATF weenies.
The ATF knows that.
1. The State of LOUISIANA does not require a bill of sale between individuals.
2. The two gun shops in town closed down 4 years ago.
If you got a 4473 on anything you got, or a form 1 or something, they probably know. If not, they can most likely come about the information.
I’d be surprised if there WASN’T a database, but if they did it can’t be accurate. Private sales, gifts, etc would really throw it off, I imagine.
Kinda impossible to track private sales in states that allow them.
We’re talking about an organization that monitors the calls we make on cell phones (saving the bits for later decryption technologies).
How can one even imagine that they don’t store the background check data?
So what's the software called and how long has it been in use?
Since all my oranges were leased, many decades ago, through a shell company in the Marianas which was owned by a shell company in Singapore which was owned by a company in Yugoslavia (none of which exist any longer), the ATF will just have to take my word that the oranges have all been squeezed dry and eaten...
With some 400,000,000 firearms in this country; the ATF will surely have it’s hands full.