Posted on 04/12/2021 3:47:04 PM PDT by rxsid
Police just released bodycam footage of the Daunte Wright shooting. The cop thought she was firing her Taser, not her gun.
Police have released bodycam footage of the shooting of Daunte Wright -- AKA the young man who was killed by police and who protesters are currently using the latest excuse to riot and loot.
The officer thought she had pulled her Taser. Not her gun. She thought she was tasing him, not shooting him. Watch for yourself [Warning: Graphic]:
WARNING GRAPHIC
Brooklyn Center, MN police release bodycam footage of the moments leading to the fatal shooting of 20-year-old Daunte Wright pic.twitter.com/Ig9CKQaBN0— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) April 12, 2021
She clearly yelled "I'll tase you!" and "Taser! Taser! Taser!" and was clearly shocked when she realized she just shot the guy.
How does “involuntary” fit with “consciously”?
In the wording of MN law, as quoted and linked to in the post you replied to. MN calls involuntary manslaughter "second degree manslaughter". I know it seems a little strange, but not all states have a criminal code for negligent homicide or negligent/involuntary manslaughter where there isn't an underlying crime or conscious negligence. In most cases, such deaths are just "accidental", but that won't fly in this case.
Go look at post 132. They ARE a different color and shape in the hand.
Still fairly gun-shaped, though more distinctive than the last one I recall seeing. Agree, you shouldn’t be able to confuse those two.
“ Like many senior officers (of either sex) she probably was slacking off on/avoiding training.”
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Yeh, agree. When in a intense tactical situation it’s all about muscle memory. Practice, practice, practice.
I do think though some attention should be given to the design of tasers. There’s no technical reason why it has to be designed to look, feel, function like a handgun. Also, Leo’s supposedly carry their taser on their weak side. But, use a cross draw so to operate it with their strong side hand. Being tasers are used at close range I don’t see any reason why it shouldn’t be taught and trained to operate it with the weak side hand. Just noodling.
“ Like many senior officers (of either sex) she probably was slacking off on/avoiding training.”
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Yeh, agree. When in a intense tactical situation it’s all about muscle memory. Practice, practice, practice.
I do think though some attention should be given to the design of tasers. There’s no technical reason why it has to be designed to look, feel, function like a handgun. Also, Leo’s supposedly carry their taser on their weak side. But, use a cross draw so to operate it with their strong side hand. Being tasers are used at close range I don’t see any reason why it shouldn’t be taught and trained to operate it with the weak side hand. Just noodling.
Trust me tasers don’t “feel” like a real loaded handgun. They are about a fourth the weight of a Glock.
TASER® PULSE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS:
Width: 1.25 inches
Length: 5.25 inches
Height: 4.75 inches
Weight: 8 ounces
https://www.defenseproducts101.com/taser-pulse-1/taser-pulse-specifications.html
Weight
with loaded magazine
915 g | 32.28 oz
https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g17
Thanks for the info and pics. I’ve never handled a police taser so you’ve provided some good information. I understand about the weight, etc, but design and function appears to me similar to a handgun, pistol grip, trigger, etc. I’m watching the news as I’m keying this and it’s being said that similar instances have occurred sixteen times in the last ten years. While that’s not a frequent statistic it’s not exactly rare either. I do think the occupancies reflect lack of proper training. But realistically, cops will never get the required trained needed. Just won’t happen. So, seems to me the solution is to “idiot proof” the design of the taser. This has been done with their duty weapons by making them double/double action only. So, now they’re less accurate due to trigger pull less officers are accidentally shooting themselves in the leg or proverbial foot. Btw, I’m a 1911 single action guy, pack cocked and locked 😉...
Agree! It is a training issue. Design? Maybe could be improved.
Lots of talk about “muscle slip” or “muscle memory”. That is developed with training - under stress.
The other thing is that taser deployment fails about 50% of the time. That is in the thought process of everyone who uses them.
No joke.
My opinion as a thirty-year retired LEO is what is happening around the country with police hiring and current operation with the loss of veteran officers that are leaving departments in droves is incidents like this that will only increase.
From what I have learned the female officer was a Detective that was put in uniform due to patrol manpower shortages now that the departments have become Woke.
Many departments now are transferring ‘inside’ desk cops and other inside officer positions to patrol divisions.
The problem is, that those pogues - empty holster pay-rollers, have not worked on the street in years and when they did, where placed in administrative positions as soon as they could find someone to be their clout to do so, or that they were so incompetent that the only place for such people was in a non-police position.
Many of those such positions are now being filled by civilians also.
So the result, I believe in this case was a frightened officer working with an inexperienced rookie and having no recent training before being sent to patrol and the result was not unexpected when you talk to veteran street officers.
the problem is, whenever ANYONE resists arrest... it is ALWAYS a life and death struggle that justifies the policeman killing the perp.
PERIOD
The policeman is ARMED.
Which means, any physical altercation with the officer is really a FIGHT OVER THE GUN and who lives and who dies.
It’s that simple.
Resist arrest... DIE, your choice. Don’t matter what color anyone involved is.
IMO taser shouldn’t be shaped like a gun. Make it a rod or anything else.
He also said that the kind of stop they were making was similar to stops he makes every day. The only reason to be under stress in this case is if you were not used to being on the street.
More training needed. Maybe they should defund the police more(?)
Ergonomics dictates that something like this is going to have a pistol grip with a finger pull trigger. Other designs have been tried and they simply don’t work.
As for the weak side - the weak side hand is needed to hold a flashlight, to open doors, to push obstacles out of the way.
Ergonomics dictates otherwise. That’s why a lot of things are gun shaped. They *are* differently shaped in the hand, differently shaped in general and they’re bright yellow. Look at the pics I posted upthread, I think post 132.
Good job deflecting the suggestions. Any solutions?
Well, did you take a look at my post 132? They’re already shaped somewhat differently and appear quite a lot different from the service pistol. Being bright yellow and having way different weight and balance (plus the fact that some of these things can be configured to emit a warning beep when deployed) means that these don’t really look like service pistols. I’m not really sure what else can be done for a hand-held projectile thrower. Thumb triggers have been tried and failed in many respects. We’d have to genegineer cops to have non-human hands if we want them to be able to comfortably use a radically different shape. (Yes, Taser tried a Star Trek: The Next Generation phaser-style unit - it failed in the marketplace and the users hated it.)
I did look at the pic. It seems odd that this incident occurred. But, it seems to happen every now and then. I’ve even considered the possibility that she intended to shoot the guy with her service weapon from the get go and acted like it was an accident as cover. But, I really doubt that scenario. My guess is that even though she’s been on the force for over twenty years she probably has been either a supervisor or administrator on desk duty for several years and thereby had lost much of her tactical/street skills. May have been pulled up for riot/crowd control duty due to personnel shortages. Just speculating.
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