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What would a conservative environmentalism stand for? (A Personal Post)
https://wemustbegreen.com ^ | 11th February, 20121 Australian time | Ozguy1945

Posted on 02/09/2021 6:54:00 PM PST by Ozguy1945

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To: Ozguy1945

A conservative environmentalist would be for a clean environment and a sustainable wild animal population. They would look at the results of policies and laws and get rid of ones that don’t do any good or are outright harmful. They would look at the big picture of what “green energy” does, how it is produced and the environmental and economic impact of it.

Which is pretty much the opposite of what liberal environmentalists do. They pass laws and regulations on how it makes them feel and ignore the consequences.


21 posted on 02/09/2021 7:55:08 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (In a world where EVERYTHING is declared "racist", the word has no meaning.)
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To: Ozguy1945
If you find an endangered species on your property you get a property tax credit to allow it to continue to live there.

This would reduce the SSS tendency that comes when you find an endangered species or habitat that might attract one.

22 posted on 02/09/2021 7:55:14 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (May their path be strewn with Legos, may they step on them with bare feet until they repent. )
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To: Ozguy1945

Research that can be replicated...

If it can’t be replicated it’s not accepted...

An understanding that science often means one person is right and the rest of the people are wrong. (Nicolaus Copernicus - yes the earth travel around the sun - not the other way around...

ZERO group-think pressure... jobs NEVER threatens for ‘research’ that doesn’t agree with environmental ‘rock starts’..

NO Rock Stars

No preconceived notions...

(Just for starters)


23 posted on 02/09/2021 7:59:25 PM PST by GOPJ (If democrat thugs are gonna kill me - I'm gonna try to have it done before "the showers"...)
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To: aquila48

I had to look up Izaak Walton.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izaak_Walton_League


24 posted on 02/09/2021 8:00:41 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Ozguy1945

Actual forest management. Clearing out the dead underbrush. Tactical logging. Planting trees in areas that have been logged. Giving “federal” land back to the states. There’s no such thing as federal land anyways. Except for military bases and Washington, D.C. and Territories such as Guam, Puerto Rico, etc.


25 posted on 02/09/2021 8:04:02 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: Ozguy1945

Limit pollution while not impeding economic development and construction.


26 posted on 02/09/2021 8:04:43 PM PST by Dragonspirit (CNN is the enemy. Ashli Babbitt is the hero.)
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To: Ozguy1945

Clean air, land, water, accessible to all.
Preservation of species as part of our resources.
Taking into account the Local People who live in the scenic lands and natural preserves of the world.
Humility and adaptability before the power of nature. We do not move the waves. We can just try to learn to surf them.


27 posted on 02/09/2021 8:24:48 PM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Ozguy1945

Responsible and respectful use of what God has provided to us is good stewardship.

God granted mankind dominion of the earth, so we should use what has been provided in a responsible manner.


28 posted on 02/09/2021 8:26:07 PM PST by Prole
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To: Ozguy1945

Conservation and environmentalism should be a major part of the Conservative agenda. Instead, the Progressives have co-opted it and ruined it like everything they touch.


29 posted on 02/09/2021 9:23:32 PM PST by foxfield (When the going gets tough, the tough get going!)
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To: Ozguy1945

Conservative environmentalism?

Rule #1 DO NOT WASTE. Use everything you can.

#2 Keep your work area/zone CLEAN!

#3 Ensure your contractors also keep clean.

#4 Clean up the mess of others if, when, and however you ECONOMICALLY can. This is how I camp.

#5 Support new ideas, but accept their limitations.

#6 DO NOT let ideology guide you. Truth beats ideology.


30 posted on 02/09/2021 9:59:25 PM PST by Don W (When blacks riot, neighbourhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: Ozguy1945

Conservative “environmentalism” already exists- it is called conservation, and because it is based on evidence not emotion, and is based on the Biblical principle of good stewardship of God’s creation, which He placed in our care for His glory and for our continued use. Conservation is simple, clear-headed and honest stewardship, a labor of love for our neighbors as ourselves to protect resources loaned to us by God- it is not an “ism” where policies are designed deceptively to advance a ruthless progressive agenda of centralizing government control of resources under the superficial cover of emotionally charged causes.


31 posted on 02/09/2021 10:27:42 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: foxfield

Conservation is a practice.

Environmentalism is a religion.

One honors the Creator by protecting and preserving HIS work

One worships the creation, but only protects what is convenient at that point in time.

Neither can combine the two, as they work to opposite ends. One tries to keep the natural world as a separate entity as it rationally IS, while the other idealizes wildness over anything with people in the equation.

Conservationists want to keep natural and wild as much as we can, while environmentalists want to erase humanity from all calculations, leaving only small enclaves of people.

I am not overfond of environmentalists.
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32 posted on 02/09/2021 10:50:26 PM PST by Don W (When blacks riot, neighbourhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: Ozguy1945

Lumber is a renewable resource.


33 posted on 02/09/2021 10:59:40 PM PST by rfp1234 (Caveat Emperor: Comitii asinorum atque rhinocerorum delendi )
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To: Ozguy1945

Reduce immigration as there is too much urban sprawl. We don’t need an urban proletariat for manufacturing these days, especially with increasing factory automation.


34 posted on 02/10/2021 3:07:56 AM PST by Sixgun Symphony (uie)
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To: mksee

Clean air - clean water - clean land - clean elections


35 posted on 02/10/2021 3:10:18 AM PST by Lazamataz (I feel like it is 1937 Germany, and my last name is Feinberg.)
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To: Ozguy1945

Farmers and ranchers are natural environmentalists since they must balance current versus future production. In contrast, city dwellers are generally unaware of the realities of production, and can conjure up all kinds of crazy ideas.

There are some tensions in the interests of farmers and ranchers. For example, a grain farmer might want to allow pesticide to simply run-off his land, into streams and such. Yet, the grain farmer should know that it would be very bad if many did that. So, almost all of them support pragmatic regulation of problems such as run-off, so that our air and water are clean.

Pragmatic regulation of run-off and other such problems on all producers, including your competitors, means that all have to bear the cost. This, in turns, means that the cost is passed onto the consumer in prices that reflect the full cost of production. This makes the entire process sustainable.

This is how all the elements come together - private property, competition and government regulation. When it comes to pragmatic environmentalism, it’s not either/or.

The real problem isn’t when we have private property, but when we don’t. Consider the deer population. Without some kind of regulation, the deer might be driven to extinction by hunters. On the other hand, a ban on hunting would result in over-population of the deer. In the absence of private property to make a sustainable system, the government rations deer hunting. For example, allows X number of kills per deer hunting license during open season.

In theory, licensing and rationing can protect the migratory species of the world, the fish population, the whales, and other animals for which privatization isn’t practical.

The point can be generalized. Whenever resources aren’t privatized we should be concerned about sustainability. There is a tendency, with unowned resources, of excessive use (meaning, use that doesn’t balance current versus future production). Owners of resources naturally balance these concerns. Non-owners only interest is here and now.


36 posted on 02/10/2021 5:29:27 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Ozguy1945

Simple things that homeowners can do:

1. Compost bin
2. Worm farm
3. Cook your own food (little or no processed food)

While my neighbors put out their full trashcans every week, I have such a low amount of trash, that mine go out maybe once every two months. Even the contents of my shredder is distributed in the worm far for bedding and the composter.

Simple, easy, takes little time.


37 posted on 02/10/2021 7:17:44 AM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: Don W

I was using those terms rater loosely. Thank for drawing the distinction.


38 posted on 02/11/2021 5:00:09 PM PST by foxfield (When the going gets tough, the tough get going!)
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