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Trump Doesn’t Understand Today’s Suburbs — And Neither Do You
Politico ^ | 8/6/2020 | Zack Stanton

Posted on 08/09/2020 5:50:01 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot

In recent weeks, as President Donald Trump has returned time and again to the well-worn campaign playbook of white suburban fears — accusing Joe Biden of wanting to “abolish the suburbs,” promising to block low-income housing from being built, and protecting property values — the whole routine has elicited hand-wringing that Trump has America’s increasingly Democratic suburbs all wrong.

And that’s true, says Thomas Sugrue, director of metropolitan studies at New York University and a historian of race and city-suburb relations, Trump has “misread the reality of today’s suburbs.”

But the thing is, most of the rest of us have, too.

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“We’re seeing a suburban political divide quite different from the one that played out after World War II, when well-to-do, middle-class and even some working-class whites living in suburbia found common ground by looking through their rearview mirrors with horror at the cities they were fleeing,” says Sugrue. ....

We’re seeing the results of that play out in elections. “Trump supporters are more likely to be clustered in the outlying, more heavily white suburbs, and Democrats are making real inroads into the communities with more heterogeneity and better-off whites,” says Sugrue. “That’s a really big change.”

But there’s a whole lot more to the story. Just because certain suburbs are trending blue doesn’t exactly mean they’re woke to the racial politics that have long plagued suburbia. “White liberal suburbanites have played a critical role in the process of housing segregation and the resistance to low-income housing,” says Sugrue. “We can’t just think about it as torch-bearing angry white supremacists. If they were the only obstacles to equality in suburban housing, we would have come a lot farther than we have.”

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 2020election; suburbs; trump2020
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To: sphinx

You think they wouldn’t do it without “Trumps precedence” ?
They don’t need that and never did.
If we don’t win this election were screwed.


21 posted on 08/09/2020 6:47:36 AM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: neverevergiveup

“Social Relations” sounds like a method of contracting venereal diseases. I suppose if you live in a college campus bubble it might make sense, but not off-campus.


22 posted on 08/09/2020 6:54:05 AM PDT by Bernard (If I knew then what I know now, I probably would not have believed it anyway.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
middle-class whites who are attempting to flee the growing racial diversity of cities

Americans move out when criminals and other Democrats move in. Saying it has anything to do with racial diversity is completely dishonest and they know it. Telling manipulative lies in their insatiable greed for tyrannical power is not ok.

23 posted on 08/09/2020 6:55:03 AM PDT by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

They use as their expert (Sugrue) who was raised in a prosperous (it was the ‘60s) Detroit suburb who then spent his life living in leftist academia.

He never had a real job, never had to live in the urban jungle, and has written race-strewn articles his entire life.

He fits right in with the Politico radical leftist agenda.


24 posted on 08/09/2020 6:59:20 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: Sir Napsalot

“ Democrats fleeing cities are like a swarm of locusts”
Most of the Democrats that live in the suburbs, that I know, were raised in the suburbs. They have little or no experience with life in the city, though they may work in it. Their political beliefs are often just the opposite of their personal life.


25 posted on 08/09/2020 6:59:38 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Oh, another tard telling me what I don’t know and need to know, kkthx.


26 posted on 08/09/2020 7:00:40 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Vigilanteman

The liberals ignore the fact that there is a serious divide in this country but it isn’t based on skin color. It’s based on behavior. Suburbs and exurbs are populated by people who have invested in their homes, want attractive and orderly environs for themselves and their children, and are willing to conform to community norms such as maintaining their property and disciplining their children to get along with others. My neighborhood is upper middle-class and we have blacks, Muslims, Sikhs among us with no problems.

The threat by the Obama and Biden policy of forced mixed housing is not mixing skin colors but behavior that low-income housing brings, i.e., transients of every skin color with no incentive to get along with their neighbors or improve their environ because they have no personal investment in it, financial or emotional.


27 posted on 08/09/2020 7:10:47 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Anybody taking a class from this city professor should ask for a tuition refund.


28 posted on 08/09/2020 7:13:06 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Oh great an academic from NYU wants to tell MaE about the community I live in 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
29 posted on 08/09/2020 7:21:32 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: madison10

Yep. He knows black, Asian, and Latino home-owners are no more anxious to be overrun with projects and watch their property values drop than white people are.


30 posted on 08/09/2020 7:22:26 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (The greatest wealth is to live content with little. -Plato)
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To: Brookhaven

He’s an expert at reading, critiquing, and lecturing upon academic studies of the suburbs...

You make it sound like he might actually have had an original thought at some point...


31 posted on 08/09/2020 7:23:51 AM PDT by L,TOWM (An upraised middle finger is my virtue signal.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Areas turn blue in proportion to population density: the more people you interact with (passing on sidewalk included) the more desirable laws to regulate interactions.


32 posted on 08/09/2020 7:29:54 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Interesting how those so interested in workERS are so disinterested in workING.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

One drive through Portland, New York, Minneapolis, LA, Seattle, Detroit, or any other leftist enclave is all one needs to do to understand suburbs. Nobody wants to live in those hell-holes. We don’t even like working there, but we put up with it because we still believe in earning our keep.


33 posted on 08/09/2020 7:31:29 AM PDT by meyer (WWG1WGA, MAGA! Derps vs. Patriots, choose your side.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

This starts from the false premise that protecting suburbs from government meddling is about racism and then goes to the bizarre conclusion that it’s not all racism because there are white liberals involved, too.

It always amazes me that people get paid to come up with this garbage. Why can’t I have a simple job like that? (Besides the obvious desire to avoid a pay cut and a lobotomy?)


34 posted on 08/09/2020 7:33:36 AM PDT by irv (Live Tea or die!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Like cities, the suburbs could not exist without government services. I grew up in an older NJ suburb, forty years later I've been living on the edge of the sticks for 20.

Some of my high school friends simply don't understand not having public water and sewer, having to hire a private contractor for trash pick up, not being able to leave yard waste by the street for government (or government hired contractors) to pick up.

Fire departments, quick police response, etc. They take that for granted. They panic if government is slow in plowing snow off the streets.

The further out you live, the fewer services. In time, you learn not to want them in the first place.

35 posted on 08/09/2020 7:38:29 AM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: Sir Napsalot

Good grief.... where’s the BARF alert?


36 posted on 08/09/2020 7:50:36 AM PDT by LastDayz (A blunt and brazen Texan. I will not be assimilated.)
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To: HighSierra5

I’m looking for a 10 acre plot withe a house square in the middle.


37 posted on 08/09/2020 7:52:20 AM PDT by DownInFlames (Galsd)
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To: Vigilanteman
Almost all of them will tell you that they moved here specifically to get away from other Blacks.

I have several black neighbors. All of them had a policy that their kids needed permission to associate with other black kids - not with white, Asian, or Hispanic kids, just with other blacks. They paid a lot of money to get their kids away from bad influences, and they (successfully) made sure that they would raise their children away from ghetto culture.

38 posted on 08/09/2020 8:00:28 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Sir Napsalot

They’re like cockroaches - they flee the cities they ruined to cause havoc on the suburbs they located to, and you can’t get rid of them. I’ve seen it in my small KC suburb (Kansas side). Johnson County is now a lost cause.


39 posted on 08/09/2020 8:03:21 AM PDT by peggybac (Government is about force. It always has been about force.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
What a piece of cr*p, racist article.

The main division is “Class”, the next level is the Left/Right split (not readily apparent until the ratio moves to benefit the leftists and there goes the fun & freedom).

I lived in Downingtown, PA for a bit and my neighbors were mostly black. One of those neighbors, retired SeaBee, remains one of my closest friends.

There was a seemingly sudden change to our part of town; more renters than owners, more trash on sidewalks, more rude behavior, less participation in “events”.

Lower class people had been moving in and once they reached a noticeable percentage of the population, it was too late.

Those of us that could move, did.

40 posted on 08/09/2020 8:03:59 AM PDT by NativeSon ( What Would Virginia Do? #WWVD)
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