Posted on 12/27/2019 6:03:35 AM PST by w1n1
Some concealed carrier that are into “comfort carry” will usually carry a pistol with a single stack vs a dual stack (more capacity).
Its not about just having lots of ammo, but the situation requires that you may need it. Plus the idea of using a gun for self defense is not to kill your attacker, but to make them stop attacking.
Now we are back to the original question, how many rounds do you need to stop an attacker? According to Massad Ayoob he states: switch from 5-6 round revolvers to 15-18 or 20 round semi automatics; "5-6 rounds was usually enough… but usually isn't always." Massad was referring to law enforcement employment but falls into personal defense as well.
So the consensus is that the more rounds you have the better to prepare for most gunfight situations. When you look into the hits ratios of our law enforcements that were involved in shootouts, its not good. (12% to 19%, unless someone knows of a more updated version from the FBI & NYPD) Yes, while under stress these LEO's will shoot more than in a training scenario. With that in mind, most lawfully concealed carrier will probably be expending lots of rounds in a self defense situation.
Why carry more rounds when you can use a bigger slug -
Chances are most people if shot will probably stop attacking you. But, in this day and age with die hard assailants we’re going to assume they’re still coming. According to a chart from Buckeye Firearms Handgun stopping power, it states 2.45 rounds with a 9mm pistol on average to end the threat. "To be clear, that's 2.45 Hits – not rounds fired."
So: If it takes (on average) 5.55 shots to make a hit, And if it takes (on average) 2.45 hits to incapacitate an attacker, Then it takes 5.55 x 2.45 = 13.6 rounds fired (on average) to incapacitate an attacker. That’s for one attacker.
So hypothetically, if there are multiples bad guys, you need to double or triple those averages for a single shooter. Read the rest of concealed carry rounds.
On a good day? One.
All of them.
Sheesh, the gun by itself is heavy enough...now you tell me I need to carry rounds for it.
Seriously, how many are enough?
It's been my experience that the more difficult concealed carry is, the less folks will do it.
Way back when, I counseled folks to have at least two reloads on their person.
I no longer feel that is necessary and I personally carry one reload for my Defender and have several in my truck/car console.
But, individual preferences vary greatly, but just be realistic in what you expect to encounter.
All of them.
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Yep don’t want to be exposing your capability
So he’s saying my LCP is woefully inadequate. I guess in some parts of town that could be the case.
I don’t want to get in a gun fight. The object of that game is not to get shot, it isn’t to stand there and swap rounds. If I haven’t gotten myself out of trouble in 5 to 8 rounds I don’t suspect 8 more or 16 more is going to make a difference. Depending on the situation I’m either in defensive mode or offensive, offense is a completely different situation.
Don’t remember who said it, but it likely was Jeff Cooper who said he’d never met anyone who’d been in a confrontation that said “I wish I hadn’t had so much ammo with me.”
I’m at work, I have a Shield .380 with two 6-round mags and a Glock 30 with 2 10-round mags of .45 ACP, that is my everyday go to work supply. If it’s a normal day, I pack the Glock in an ankle holster, depending on weather and dress.
Best answer!! Gun control means getting all your shots in the black.
Read the rest of concealed carry rounds
When you’re a plagiarist, you just excerpt and keep going back to steal more.
Double stack Para and two magazines and you can take on a small army.
This is a ridiculous analysis. LEOs are paid to intentionally enter dangerous situations, sometimes with multiple armed assailants. The average person can raise or lower their statistical probability of attack by more than a lone assailant with personal choices.
I do not choose to enter situations which would expose me to multiple, armed assailants and most assailants will run when confronted by even a single armed civilian.
13.5 rounds means absolutely nothing if a person can’t hit the target under stress with 3, so any analysis must be weighed not only with personal choices, but training...including stress/fear situations for which most people are ill-equipped.
In the latter, a 30-round mag in a machine pistol would be less effective than a snub-nosed .38. We also never hear about the cases in which there was an armed civilian but they made a choice - fear or otherwise - not to engage.
Thus for more most people statistical probability demonstrates that it comes down to not only the choice to carry, but the choice to engage and - most pertinently - to kill, for which the number of rounds means absolutely nothing when weighed against the ‘between the ears’ & ‘gut’ factors...all of which presume good choices & situational awareness...the latter of which is appallingly-lacking for most people who carry.
The number of rounds to carry is dependent upon far more factors than being discussed.
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I’ll carry a Sig 239 or a S&W model 19 depending on how I feel, most of the time it’s the 19.
I would say one 99% of the time.
ugh...you beat me to it.
“”This is a ridiculous analysis””
Yes it is.
Minimum of 1
I only carry a spare mag when I’m expecting to be in areas with higher risk factors.
If it takes more than 7 rounds +6 in the spare mag, then the fight probably requires more than I am likely to ever carry.
And while you’re swapping rounds with the bad guy and the cops come in and only see you shooting and not the bad guy, guess what ...
On Easter 2010, a crazed neighbor armed with a shotgun and a pistol attacked a family that had had previous physical altercations with the nutjob. He murdered the father & mother and attempted unsuccessfully to do the same to the son, daughter-in-law, and granddaughter. The father tried for his handgun, but was overmatched by the mental case and his shotgun. The two sheriff’s deputies who responded to multiple neighbor 911 calls fired 18 rounds from their pistols to take down the perp as he began to level the shotgun at them. Moral of the story, to my thinking, is that one will typically fire as any rounds as one has in order to neutralize a lethal threat.
As many as you can, comfortably in order to fight your way back to your vehicle/home/rally point to grab your shotgun or AR pattern rifle.
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