Posted on 12/27/2019 6:03:35 AM PST by w1n1
Some concealed carrier that are into “comfort carry” will usually carry a pistol with a single stack vs a dual stack (more capacity).
Its not about just having lots of ammo, but the situation requires that you may need it. Plus the idea of using a gun for self defense is not to kill your attacker, but to make them stop attacking.
Now we are back to the original question, how many rounds do you need to stop an attacker? According to Massad Ayoob he states: switch from 5-6 round revolvers to 15-18 or 20 round semi automatics; "5-6 rounds was usually enough… but usually isn't always." Massad was referring to law enforcement employment but falls into personal defense as well.
So the consensus is that the more rounds you have the better to prepare for most gunfight situations. When you look into the hits ratios of our law enforcements that were involved in shootouts, its not good. (12% to 19%, unless someone knows of a more updated version from the FBI & NYPD) Yes, while under stress these LEO's will shoot more than in a training scenario. With that in mind, most lawfully concealed carrier will probably be expending lots of rounds in a self defense situation.
Why carry more rounds when you can use a bigger slug -
Chances are most people if shot will probably stop attacking you. But, in this day and age with die hard assailants we’re going to assume they’re still coming. According to a chart from Buckeye Firearms Handgun stopping power, it states 2.45 rounds with a 9mm pistol on average to end the threat. "To be clear, that's 2.45 Hits – not rounds fired."
So: If it takes (on average) 5.55 shots to make a hit, And if it takes (on average) 2.45 hits to incapacitate an attacker, Then it takes 5.55 x 2.45 = 13.6 rounds fired (on average) to incapacitate an attacker. That’s for one attacker.
So hypothetically, if there are multiples bad guys, you need to double or triple those averages for a single shooter. Read the rest of concealed carry rounds.
My LCP is inadequate, too, but if 6+1 in the gun and one 6 round reload won’t get the job done, then I’m prepared to die.
But I’m not too worried.
Then they stuff their phone, wallet, and keys, the stuff they’ll touch repeatedly throughout the day, haphazardly into their pockets.
If you need more than one or two rounds I would say you either live in a place I would NEVER go or your situational awareness sucks and you will probably never feel secure even with a deuce-and-a-half full of spare ammo.
“getting all your shots in the black.”
OH NO! Did you just use the “B” word? SHAME! (sarc)
“Plus the idea of using a gun for self defense is not to kill your attacker, but to make them stop attacking.”
Sorry, if attacked I will not shoot to wound. I decided a long time ago that if I wound my attacker and I have one bullet left it will go straight into the attackers skull. My CCW is the Springfield Armory SDS 9mm.
Winter carry is GLOCK 26 +1 with 2 spare mags for 31 Hornady 9mm JHP. Summer is usually 26 but with just shirts and a tshirt may be GLOCK 43 +1 with 2 mags in pouch and 1 in pocket for 25 rds.
If I lived in (say) Edmond Oklahoma, where typical crime is driving 5mph above the school zone speed limit, then I’d carry a small BUG-type gun with 7+1.
I however live in Nairobi Kenya, where unfortunately Somali Al-Shabaab terrorists have attacked public places. I thus got licensed (you have to here) to own a firearm, and on ANY day I will carry my Glock 17 with 16+1 (I download one on my carry magazine, thus its 16+1 rather than 17+1), and two extra 17 round magazines. If I am with family at the mall I will add two additional magazines.
Why? Simple - because the threat I would face would be terrorists moving in groups of two or three toting Kalashnikovs, and although I am a ranked IDPA competitor and I’m certain I can outshoot the terrorists, I do not want to be in anyway outgunned by them. Already I am by the fact I’d have a pistol while they have carbines, but I will not be in a position where running out of ammo is a concern.
Met a guy who went thru all 150 he was carrying.
Guard going off duty, in lit parking lot, attacked by 3 who were hiding in dark bushes.
Find the best training near you.
PRACTICE what you learn in that training.
Take more training!
> I can’t help but laugh a bit at the people who put so much thought and effort into carrying bigger guns with an RMR on top, multiple mags on their offside... <
I was talking to a guy (not a cop) at a gun club I belong to. He was wearing a jacket. And he just had to show me what was on the inner lining of his jacket. He had a pistol, four magazines for that pistol, a knife, and a tactical flashlight.
The 2A doesn’t place any limitations on how many bullets you can carry. But I wonder. Suppose that guy had to use his pistol in self-defense. Maybe a liberal DA would look at all that firepower, and conclude that this guy was spoiling for a fight.
Shooting to wound is an invitation to the attacker to sue you for restraint of trade. Guess what? You’ll lose.
I have a 7 round mag plus one in the chamber with my LCP in my right pocket and a spare 6 round mag in my left pocket
Rounds, as in shot rounds, 2 to the heart, one to the head.
Round, as in “carry loads”, old military was “a full cylinder, plus two reloads”, or, as was once issued, with the 1911, “one charged magazine in the pistol-condition one, 2 charged magazines on the belt.”
I got one of those spring kits to convert the magazine to 7 rounds, but I have never installed it. Is that what you have? How well does it work?
I can’t remember the last time I carried a revolver concealed!
generally when I answer the front door..
30. Fifteen in each gun
Unless you’re LE or military, your objective in a conflict is to survive, not necessarily take anyone out. So: zero if we’re able to avoid the problem entirely, up to lots and lots.
Statistically if you’re avoiding trouble you’ll never have to care, and the vast majority of times when a CCW is deployed no shots are fired.
The good news is that “need” is not the determiner. Carry more or less or larger or smaller as you wish. If possible, leave the ego in the safe :)
B. Scott desperately needs an editor.
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