Posted on 10/28/2018 9:13:40 AM PDT by NotaLowTBoomer
Well, actually I've never voted for a Democrat. I'm 34 and a local truck driver..
I've never voted Democrat because for starters my much older brother is active in politics and always told me when I was a kid that Democrats were evil, and he is the smartest guy I've ever known so he had to be right. He would even make up stories to tell me about democrat monsters and republican heroes lol
But anyway while I support *Private* sector unions, Especially in trucking I do NOT support Public unions. The reason? because public employees are basically working for me and I don't want them bankrupting my company (AKA the government). That's the way it has to be. Can you imagine Public sector unions striking, when you need permits, etc or need to renew a CDL or HAZMAT license but can't because these assholes are on strike? so you lose your license?
I also support universal health care. *BUT* I don't support it today and I don't support it for this country because ~~> WE CAN'T AFFORD IT and our country is in a terrible state financially. Does this really make me a racist xenophobe? because I actually think maybe before the government takes on a massive entitlement that uhh we should be able to actually afford it? Or that we should work together or not do it at all??
I get told I should vote democrat but democrats seem so stupid and whiney. When I explain that we cannot possibly afford UNIVERSAL healthcare in this country here and today they get a glazed over look, like they are unable to process what I've just said, kind of like they are characters in a video game that just say scripted phrases.
I would be so embarrassed to admit I voted for a democrat. They are whiney, loud mouthed, jerks always attacking the president. Always attacking rural people then crying when someone says something bad back to them.
They are not reasonable people, Why do they hate Republicans and Trump and Kavanaugh so much? and this is something else.. they are LIARS, in the media and every else they Lie to themselves and anyone who will listen, then wonder why elections don't work out.
You are no conservative. You are willing to give your power to communist unions ( read some history) and an unbridled government
We’ll use your vote but you are as illogical as any dem out there
I listened to an old ( leftwing) classmate recently look back and brag about how he was involved in promoting a teacher’s union in NY City several decades ago.
I thought: “really? And what the f*** was the ultimate benefit of that? except to flow even more taxpayer money and government debt into administrators pockets, turn teachers into political activists, and destroy education and choice for all kids in NY City, except for the financial oligarchs on Wall Street, who can afford to send their kids to private schools (and who support the marxist mayor anyway)
Definitely a screwed up situation, again caused by government and public-sector unions.
“When I explain that we cannot possibly afford UNIVERSAL healthcare in this country here and today they get a glazed over look, like they are unable to process what I’ve just said, kind of like they are characters in a video game that just say scripted phrases.”
I don’t know if you realize it or not, but you just gave one of the most accurate descriptions of what progressives look like when they encounter rational ideas.
I also believe everyone represented by a union should be able to be fired for being a part of a union if the union formed after the worker agreed to work without the union.
I also believe companies should be allowed to fired the union en masse when their contract is to be renewed, just as any employment contract allows individuals to not be required (think actors and contract workers of any sort).
In my one serious foray into politics, I learned something instructive. People either support your position or do not support your position for a variety of reasons. For the most part, the reasons for or against have no logical relationship to whatever the situation is. I was astonished when people supported a new runway reversing the direction of the present runway, which even the FAA didn’t support it due to local prevailing winds. (It was an attempt by the local board to funnel some of the plane-seat tax into their pockets. The governor threatened to dissolve the board.) This neighborhood was, although close to an airport, a quiet residential area and planes would have been low enough on an hourly basis to see the dirt streaks from the rivets. One guy told me he missed the noise from when he lived in New York. Forget the impact on the resale value of his home. Some people are contrary responders and always take the opposite tact regardless of the impact on themselves and others. (The FAA finally quashed the plan.)
Sounds good to me.
Nifster, please read Not’s whole post. Sure, there are many problems with unions. But I know union members who are as conservative as they come. Strong on the Second Amendment, strong on national security, etc., etc.
As the Gipper once said, “The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally – not a 20 percent traitor.”
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You’re right, I’m not a conservative, but I’m not a liberal either, I’m also not a centrist. but I do support the conservative and republican party. Because if you’re going to have a democracy (Honestly I’d prefer some form of Junta or military rule) then you need the most adult people to run the country, and obviously Democrats are not rational thinking adults.
As far as communist unions, That would be public sector unions. Private unions can’t bring the country to its knees.
And with responsible Union representation, the Union can only be made up of the workers. So when we get the returns each year on how much the company made in profit, we can say either we can afford to pay the workers more, or we can afford to pay less as a company. We have even voted to take pay cuts before.
Also in a union, our terminal manager can’t force us to make unsafe deliveries to neighborhoods that have low hanging power lines etc. In other companies they can require you to, and then when you pull a line down or scratch your trailer, you get blamed.
It’s actually better for the upper management because they can hire know-nothings for middle management but they can’t screw it up as easily because the Unions would push back.
The poster said they were for private unions, not public employee unions. I too, agree with that. The workers can vote to either unionize, or not. This is an agreement between the worker and the “Factory Owner.” Are private unions full of problems. Most certainly.
As for Universal Health Care. Those of us that have served do have Universal Health Care and its called the VA. As for the rest of the citizens. UHC sounds great. I too, would like to walk in an get all my problems fixed...get glasses, teeth filling, etc. and then be on my way. Who wouldn’t? But the country can not afford it.
The poster may not be your brand of conservative..as for myself I consider moi a Classical Liberal. That’s not paleo-conservatism, but it was the philosophical thought that founded this country. If it was good enough for our founders, then its good enough for me.
The poster is not illogical, just that the two of you have a differnce of policy opinions. Fair enough. He likes private unions for... reasons. You don’t.
Back in the day during the Coal Mine Wars that pitted Workers vs Mine Owners. Who was right? Were those workers, striking to enforce better working conditions at the mine illogical democrats, or conservative thinkers not wanting to be oppressed for profit? The workers loved home and hearth, but they also believed they were being wronged. Should they have withheld their labor to force the Mine Owner to comply with basic working conditions?
Now, there can be an argument that private unions in this day and age are antiquated and no longer needed. I get that discussion and there is probably merit to that argument. But we are again talking about private versus public employee unions.
I too, am against public employee unions for all the reasons stated by the poster and more...
Anyway, have a glorious Sunday and may the sun shine happily upon you!
They had the option of leaving and going to work elsewhere.
The essence of a strike is not union workers withholding their labor, it is the union workers threatening violence and sabotage if the company hires replacements. Without the ability to stop replacement hiring, a strike would just turn into a mass resignation.
The unions in California, in a bid to force clinics to join unions which their employees have repeatedly rejected, have placed onto the ballot a proposition which limits the amount of ‘profit’ a clinic can make for a dialysis treatment. The STATED aim is to reduce it from 17% to 15% - the actual aim is to require all clinics to join the SEIU so that all employee and management costs can be called ‘expenses.’
The SEIU repeatedly has pushed $15 an hour minimum wage for ‘non-organized’ work - again, you want to pay less, force your employees to join the union.
So long as this, and public employee unions, continue to be the forefront of the union movement, I’m going to absolutely have to stand against unions in this country. They are nothing more than something that preys upon the employees and utterly self serving.
Have you ever seen the teeth of British people who have free healthcare?
If we could afford free healthcare who wants gvmt controlling what you get or don’t get? And when you die. Zeke Emmanuel thinks 75 is a good time to die.
Daschle said learn to accept pain like Europeans do.
Obama told a daughter to have mom take a aspirin when she needed a pacemaker.
Just think what a Marxist dictator like Obama could do with that power. Over 300,000 died waiting for care at the VA.
In WV, Coal mines were the only action going around. What other occupations were these coal miners to do? Maybe learn to make computer keyboards? Maybe we import brown people to do the work because they are compliant and don’t mind being paid in peanuts and corn and if you loose several dozen in a shaky mine accident..who cares? Yeah...that’s the ticket. I will grant that during the Mine Wars there were despicable acts performed by both sides
So unions for you, but not for them? I think public unions are especially pernicious, but the government shouldn’t have its thumb on the side of unions in any cases. Take away special legislation giving them special protection, and let them survive if they have sufficient merit on their own.
“You are no conservative. You are willing to give your power to communist unions ( read some history) and an unbridled government”
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Nifster,
NotaLowTBoomer is a learner and willing to be honest with his/her views.
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I didn’t say that Republican Policy should be for UHC. I said it would be great to walk in and have all problems fixed, but that the country could not afford it, so thus there will not be UHC. As for the other problems regarding UHC, they are all legitimate arguments against UHC. All I said was it would be nice. It would also be nice to be able to have a flying carpet...but alas...
As for Vets dying at the VA...not to defend Obama, but was this a problem that existed prior to his election? Yes. So it is a governmental structure problem with the VA—again another argument against UHC.
The government and corporations get their money from the same source, The American Consumer. The difference is “sustainability”.
When the government gouges it can print more money even while the average wage earner struggles to get by or files for bankruptcy. The government can prolong it’s financial demise for generations. A corporation, on the other hand, ultimately has to choose between prices, profits or dissolution.
Sustainability
Government can either cut spending or increase (taxes) revenues.
Corporations can either cut costs or increase (earnings) revenues.
Which one do you think will look for waste to cut from there budget before passing on the cost.
Only 7% of the private sector is unionized. So you are rare breed these days. Unions are not a big factor anymore it’s just they throw their ill begotten money(dues) around in politics.
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