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In my one serious foray into politics, I learned something instructive. People either support your position or do not support your position for a variety of reasons. For the most part, the reasons for or against have no logical relationship to whatever the situation is. I was astonished when people supported a new runway reversing the direction of the present runway, which even the FAA didn’t support it due to local prevailing winds. (It was an attempt by the local board to funnel some of the plane-seat tax into their pockets. The governor threatened to dissolve the board.) This neighborhood was, although close to an airport, a quiet residential area and planes would have been low enough on an hourly basis to see the dirt streaks from the rivets. One guy told me he missed the noise from when he lived in New York. Forget the impact on the resale value of his home. Some people are contrary responders and always take the opposite tact regardless of the impact on themselves and others. (The FAA finally quashed the plan.)

Nifster, please read Not’s whole post. Sure, there are many problems with unions. But I know union members who are as conservative as they come. Strong on the Second Amendment, strong on national security, etc., etc.

As the Gipper once said, “The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally – not a 20 percent traitor.”

You’re right, I’m not a conservative, but I’m not a liberal either, I’m also not a centrist. but I do support the conservative and republican party. Because if you’re going to have a democracy (Honestly I’d prefer some form of Junta or military rule) then you need the most adult people to run the country, and obviously Democrats are not rational thinking adults.

As far as communist unions, That would be public sector unions. Private unions can’t bring the country to its knees.

And with responsible Union representation, the Union can only be made up of the workers. So when we get the returns each year on how much the company made in profit, we can say either we can afford to pay the workers more, or we can afford to pay less as a company. We have even voted to take pay cuts before.

Also in a union, our terminal manager can’t force us to make unsafe deliveries to neighborhoods that have low hanging power lines etc. In other companies they can require you to, and then when you pull a line down or scratch your trailer, you get blamed.

It’s actually better for the upper management because they can hire know-nothings for middle management but they can’t screw it up as easily because the Unions would push back.

The poster said they were for private unions, not public employee unions. I too, agree with that. The workers can vote to either unionize, or not. This is an agreement between the worker and the “Factory Owner.” Are private unions full of problems. Most certainly.

As for Universal Health Care. Those of us that have served do have Universal Health Care and its called the VA. As for the rest of the citizens. UHC sounds great. I too, would like to walk in an get all my problems fixed...get glasses, teeth filling, etc. and then be on my way. Who wouldn’t? But the country can not afford it.

The poster may not be your brand of conservative..as for myself I consider moi a Classical Liberal. That’s not paleo-conservatism, but it was the philosophical thought that founded this country. If it was good enough for our founders, then its good enough for me.

The poster is not illogical, just that the two of you have a differnce of policy opinions. Fair enough. He likes private unions for... reasons. You don’t.

Back in the day during the Coal Mine Wars that pitted Workers vs Mine Owners. Who was right? Were those workers, striking to enforce better working conditions at the mine illogical democrats, or conservative thinkers not wanting to be oppressed for profit? The workers loved home and hearth, but they also believed they were being wronged. Should they have withheld their labor to force the Mine Owner to comply with basic working conditions?

Now, there can be an argument that private unions in this day and age are antiquated and no longer needed. I get that discussion and there is probably merit to that argument. But we are again talking about private versus public employee unions.

I too, am against public employee unions for all the reasons stated by the poster and more...

Anyway, have a glorious Sunday and may the sun shine happily upon you!

“You are no conservative. You are willing to give your power to communist unions ( read some history) and an unbridled government”
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