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To: Nifster

The poster said they were for private unions, not public employee unions. I too, agree with that. The workers can vote to either unionize, or not. This is an agreement between the worker and the “Factory Owner.” Are private unions full of problems. Most certainly.

As for Universal Health Care. Those of us that have served do have Universal Health Care and its called the VA. As for the rest of the citizens. UHC sounds great. I too, would like to walk in an get all my problems fixed...get glasses, teeth filling, etc. and then be on my way. Who wouldn’t? But the country can not afford it.

The poster may not be your brand of conservative..as for myself I consider moi a Classical Liberal. That’s not paleo-conservatism, but it was the philosophical thought that founded this country. If it was good enough for our founders, then its good enough for me.

The poster is not illogical, just that the two of you have a differnce of policy opinions. Fair enough. He likes private unions for... reasons. You don’t.

Back in the day during the Coal Mine Wars that pitted Workers vs Mine Owners. Who was right? Were those workers, striking to enforce better working conditions at the mine illogical democrats, or conservative thinkers not wanting to be oppressed for profit? The workers loved home and hearth, but they also believed they were being wronged. Should they have withheld their labor to force the Mine Owner to comply with basic working conditions?

Now, there can be an argument that private unions in this day and age are antiquated and no longer needed. I get that discussion and there is probably merit to that argument. But we are again talking about private versus public employee unions.

I too, am against public employee unions for all the reasons stated by the poster and more...

Anyway, have a glorious Sunday and may the sun shine happily upon you!


11 posted on 10/28/2018 9:46:54 AM PDT by abigkahuna (How can you be at two places at once when you are nowhere at all?)
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To: abigkahuna
Back in the day during the Coal Mine Wars that pitted Workers vs Mine Owners. Who was right? Were those workers, striking to enforce better working conditions at the mine illogical democrats, or conservative thinkers not wanting to be oppressed for profit? The workers loved home and hearth, but they also believed they were being wronged. Should they have withheld their labor to force the Mine Owner to comply with basic working conditions?

They had the option of leaving and going to work elsewhere.

The essence of a strike is not union workers withholding their labor, it is the union workers threatening violence and sabotage if the company hires replacements. Without the ability to stop replacement hiring, a strike would just turn into a mass resignation.

12 posted on 10/28/2018 9:56:15 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: abigkahuna

Have you ever seen the teeth of British people who have free healthcare?

If we could afford free healthcare who wants gvmt controlling what you get or don’t get? And when you die. Zeke Emmanuel thinks 75 is a good time to die.

Daschle said learn to accept pain like Europeans do.

Obama told a daughter to have mom take a aspirin when she needed a pacemaker.

Just think what a Marxist dictator like Obama could do with that power. Over 300,000 died waiting for care at the VA.


14 posted on 10/28/2018 10:06:40 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: abigkahuna

Certainly, a number of private-sector unions have outlived their usefulness and exist now for the benefit of the union bosses. But right to work includes the freedom to pick a union (even if it’s an unwise choice) or not to.


31 posted on 10/28/2018 12:39:22 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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