Posted on 11/27/2017 7:32:43 AM PST by jmaroneps37
Blue state conservatives had no hand in the BS welfare state of our respective states but we are now considered expenable.
Piss off.
I guess my child tax credits are somehow a subsidy?
Yep—those red staters here reveling in the idea of the middle class in blue states will have to pay more probably just haven’t taken a good enough look at these bills yet.
Sorry, but this is not true. The democrats have attacked the republicans at a much more furious level numerous times in the last 80 years.
However, this very well may be the most effective (potential) attack of the republicans against the dems in modern times.
“And what of the millions of patriots, families, churches, veterans, and conservatives who live, worship, and raise children in states like CA, NY, MN, NJ, MA, CT, IL, and others? Are they simply expendable political cannon fodder? Their lives can be destroyed in some half assed political sham of a tax bill? I guess we are longer the United States of America, and the GOPe cares nothing about the middle class.”
They can agitate for lower taxes with the millions of moderate Democrats who become moderate Republicans or they can move to a lower tax state.
But it’s nice to know that your patriotism is limited by the pain you feel in your wallet.
I have been a proponent of every body pays and everybody pays the same percent, period. I have a great recollection of earning a few K back when I was in Army 1968 with a part year regular income. My personal exemption and the standard deduction removed about half my income from the bottom rate which was 15%. I believe the exemption was $600 and the SD something like 1000 or 10% of gross. (BTW, there was a surcharge of tax in 68). So, everyone pays, period. I am tired of this group that group they have this problem they have that problem. Lastly, if you pay in less than your “credits” you do not get any money.
You are so reliably clueless, Nifster.
WA and TX are both net “takers”. But those paying over 9% in sales tax might disagree on it being a “no tax” state.
After Ontario/Alberta taxpayers pay their fed taxes there is a provincial budget. The provinces with a surplus share with the provinces that don't. On principle, is that right or wrong? You could say, the have not provinces deduct the provincial taxes they pay, and Alberta/Ontario pick up the tab. Is that fair?
Typically the calculations used to get to the figure you cite don't delineate they type of federal money coming in to the states. The fact that blue states are net contributors because they have a large number of corporate headquarters reporting their taxes from that zip code doesn't mean squat really.
We have a mentally challenged Democrat governor, but both houses of the legislature are (narrowly) in the hands of the Republicans.
So, they can do something about the tax burden here.
As for other "victim" states under this bill, maybe the voters should do something about getting rid of tax-and-spend politicians.
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“Typically the calculations used to get to the figure you cite don’t delineate they type of federal money coming in to the states. ”
CA, often sited as a net payer is not really. Sacramento says it is, but only by a couple percent. TX and FL, also sited often, would probably rank similarly to CA if they had gone along with Medicaid expansion.
Perhaps it will wake up the people who live in those states & get them motivated to demand that their politicians keep their expenses down & lower those high taxes.
I lived in Calif for over 40 years.
High taxes was a major factor in my moving out of that state forever.
The only way THAT will happen is with great public outcry and primarying out any who oppose term limits. Unlikely, for sure. Unless enough of us scream, yell and demonstrate enough.
“Typically the calculations used to get to the figure you cite don’t delineate they type of federal money coming in to the states.”
CA receives the most in military spending. AND the most in welfare spending.
But their taxpayers pay so much that they are still a net donor state.
Minnesota is a good example of this red/blue tax state nonsense. General Mills reports out of Minneapolis for tax purposes, thus it appears that Minneapolis ‘produces’ lots of income. Does that makes sense to count it as all coming from a “Blue” area?
There is no such mechanize for state to state other than stop deductions of the taxes paid at the fed. level.(Nevada can't force California to the negotiation table for stupid spending).
You are mixing them up.
By state is an absurd way to count. Orange County is not the same as Oakland.
Turn it around. Why should those who through careful planning and use of resources, or even just good luck managed to leave a substantial estate have it ripped away and redistributed to the non-planning, less capable or less lucky?
mechanize..mechanism
I will believe this bill passes when I see it, not one second before.
One lobbyist group will stop it, imho—that is the National Association of Realtors.
The deduction of mortgage interest hits new buyers very hard and would keep younger buyers out of the market (in all states, btw).
There are arguments for and against this bill, but in the end I will be very surprised if it passes with the mortgage interest deduction eliminated.
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