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In light of the recent terror attacks in England, there has been some discussion of the motives for gun control in England. It was because the British elite feared an uprising.
1 posted on 06/04/2017 7:36:18 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“It was because the British elite feared an uprising.”

Which is precisely why our forefathers made the right to bear arms the “Second Amendment”. They knew how important it was in times like these.


2 posted on 06/04/2017 7:46:44 AM PDT by ImNotLying (The Constitution is an instrument for the people to restrain the government...Patrick Henry)
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To: marktwain

In the olden days every free Englishman was required to have certain weapons in his home and to practice with the bow and arrow each Sunday after church, AND to appear at an “Assize of Arms” so the local lords could know how many armed men they could depend on.

The French, did not trust their serfs when given arms as the serfs then considered themselves free men. As a result, the French preferred Genoese Crossbowmen to back them up.

After gun confiscation and Dunkirk, England prepared to throw back a German invasion with those now standard traditional English weapons, the Garden Hoe, Hay rake and scythe.
Then American citizens decided to “SEND A GUN TO DEFEND A BRITISH HOME!”


3 posted on 06/04/2017 7:48:38 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: marktwain

They have no reason to change it now. To that sort, terror is just an example of the lower classes preying on the lower classes. “There’s a fox upsetting the chickens! Release the hounds! Tally ho!”


4 posted on 06/04/2017 7:49:10 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: marktwain; PROCON

Ping-Worthy?


6 posted on 06/04/2017 7:57:05 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set!)
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To: marktwain
One of my late friends was quite the amateur historian, and he often filled me in on bits of English history which made it easy to see that the Brit powers-that-be were quite willing to screw their own people and those who were on the periphery economically and geographically. I believe some of my own ancestors which include displaced Irish and Scots (as well as Scots-Irish) were "beneficiaries" of the tender mercies of the English ruling class. I knew a little about the Anglo history of denying possession of arms by we mere pissants, but learned something here today.

Mr. niteowl77

9 posted on 06/04/2017 8:06:37 AM PDT by niteowl77 (Trust- but verify.)
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To: marktwain

Many years ago I used to read articles by Colin Greenwood. I always thought he was the clearest thinking voice in the gun control debate.

The one point he made over and over was that before gun control, Great Britain, or maybe it was just England, I can’t recall for sure, had less than 5 armed robberies per year.

The reason what he had to say was so important is he destroyed the argument that Britain had a lower murder rate than the U.S. That was supposed to show how effective gun control was.

In fact it was demographics which was the major controlling factor and gun control actually did harm instead of good.


13 posted on 06/04/2017 8:27:37 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: marktwain

Modern gun control in the U.K. also tended to be a response to whatever was going on in Northern Ireland. The laws that were created and passed in about 1967 that required permits for legally acquiring shotguns was partly inspired by the then recent killing of two British police officers and increasing violence in Belfast and elsewhere in Northern Ireland. The killing of the two police officers sparked public calls for the return of the death penalty that had been abolished in about 1965, and the gun controls enacted then most likely acted as a diversion from such demands.

The continuing IRA related mayhem in the 1970s and 1980s most likely played a role in the 1987-88 legislation (semi autos and pump actions being banned) that had the Hungerford massacre as it’s public excuse.

Thomas Hamilton’s bloody rampage in 1996 in Dunblane that gave the government it’s public excuse to ban almost all pistols and handguns most likely had the Good Friday Peace Accords with the IRA and Sein Fein as an underlying influence as well.


15 posted on 06/04/2017 8:30:26 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("If I had to go to war again, I'd bring lacrosse players" Conn Smythe)
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To: marktwain

Right in the middle of that photo of the confiscated guns is an 1847 Colt Walker replica, a black powder cap and ball revolver.


20 posted on 06/04/2017 9:53:41 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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To: marktwain
“It was because the British elite feared an uprising.”

They didn't just ‘fear’ an uprising. The Irish Nationalists had already staged one insurrection in 1916. In 1920 the IRA was fighting another in Ireland (and striving to incite sympathetic revolts in places in England and Scotland). The Bolsheviks and anarchists were active in the Labour Party, and there were riots of near civil insurrection level in some industrial centers. Massive civil disorder had erupted all over Europe, and not just in the losing countries.

22 posted on 06/04/2017 10:05:28 AM PDT by VietVet
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To: marktwain
“It was because the British elite feared an uprising.”

They didn't just ‘fear’ an uprising. The Irish Nationalists had already staged one insurrection in 1916. In 1920 the IRA was fighting another in Ireland (and striving to incite sympathetic revolts in places in England and Scotland). The Bolsheviks and anarchists were active in the Labour Party, and there were riots of near civil insurrection level in some industrial centers. Massive civil disorder had erupted all over Europe, and not just in the losing countries.

23 posted on 06/04/2017 10:05:28 AM PDT by VietVet
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To: Nailbiter

ping


24 posted on 06/04/2017 10:21:59 AM PDT by IncPen (Progressivism is in perpetual need of an enemy against which to refresh its outrage.)
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To: marktwain

Think what you will...I never filled out a form in 1985 when I was handed a .45 and an M-16 while being a combat medic . I have three firearms from wherever I obtained them....not a piece of paper on any of them.......I do not ask permission for a right.


27 posted on 06/04/2017 10:35:44 AM PDT by mythenjoseph
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Any person who allows another to disarm them deserves his or her fate....you can’t fix stupid....I do not enjoy killing but to rid my soil of intruders ? It is with no remorse my pleasure to rid my republic of the vermin in a very vicious manner which I would enjoy. NO FEAR


29 posted on 06/04/2017 11:25:31 AM PDT by mythenjoseph
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To: marktwain

The hand wring liberals are saying that their gun confiscation laws kept the terrorists from getting guns.


33 posted on 06/04/2017 2:08:49 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: marktwain

I never understood how the Brits went from a people whose monarchs REQUIRED them to be armed and proficient with longbows to a people who had to BEG guns from the US in WW2!


40 posted on 11/28/2017 8:19:00 AM PST by ZULU (DITCH MITCH!!! DUMP RYAN!! DROP DEAD MCCAIN!! KIM FATTY the THIRD = Kim Jung Un)
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