Posted on 04/12/2017 6:38:09 PM PDT by Sean_Anthony
The Snowflake generation now uses their rage as a vicious Marxist weapon with the intent to harm the reputation of anything they don't like, especially when it's a large corporation
Okay, I’ve just about had my fill with the news about the United Airlines passenger being dragged off the plane because the company overbooked, but the passenger refused to leave the flight.
Should they overbook? Probably not. There is an average number they have calculated of the number of people they believe will not even show up, so based on those numbers, they overbook a little bit to make sure the seats are full. There is not exactly a very big profit margin in the airline industry, as it is.
“Finally a voice of reason and rationality.”
Read the article. It refers to denying boarding. The passenger had already boarded and taken his seat. By United procedures, they cannot arbitrarily remove him from the plane at that point.
Airline didn’t pound the guy,CHICAGO airport cops did.
Am I correct?
I am so sorry that you are traumatized by this tale. Might I suggest you go outside and do something constructive like pound sand down a rat hole?
First this has nothing to do with overbooking. It has to do with paying passengers being held up then thrown off the flight so company employee can get a free ride.
It is also about when the airline can screw with you.
Once you have boarded the plane and are in compliance with all the rules can they just throw you off for no reason?
Apparently in your jackboot kissing little world yes.
However United skated so close to the line so often that they forgot that there actually was a line. And apparently they blithely decided to cross it. This is, from the information coming out, not the first, second or even the one thousandth time they have done so. But it is the first time they were caught on video doing so.
So while you are outside consider this, that maybe having your pockets full of congress critters does not allow you to abuse people.
I know United is considering it.
No it is not against the law and further it is in accordance with the company’s contract that you agree to when you buy the ticket.
Nah, can’t agree. The passenger paid for a ticket — paid for services to be rendered. Also, United did not offer cash for the inconvenience, they offered “credit†which translates to you spending more money to travel somewhere you didn’t want to. Would an $800 credit pay for your hotel room, meals and loss of work the next day? With no good reason, the airline decides he can’t go, after his bags are loaded and he is on the way home. If the reverse were the case, there would be plenty of penalties levied against the passenger, including loss of fare. Sorry, United broke their end of the bargin and did not even attempt to pay the market rate for someone’s ticket and inconvenience. They effectively stole time and money from their selected passengers.
It is a big deal. They didn’t overbook, they tried to throw seated passengers off the plane to accommodate standby employees. What do they think standby means? Customers first, employees whose jobs depend on the customer, second.
That's part of the uproar. For me, it's also about the lack of respect and civility towards a captive passenger. Airlines like United simply treat people like cattle.
Criminals get better treatment out on the streets, even though doing mayhem and assaults. Criminals are given negotiations to surrender peacefully. This passenger was a regular paying person, not a criminal terrorist. He was shown no respect and was not allowed to plead his case for staying on board. If they can do this to him, they could up the ante and do worse to the rest of us later. We are not cattle to be abused.
I wonder how many authors have given permission to have their work published by 'Canada Free Press'.
I’m sure UA is polishing up that contract to include forcible removal of paying ticket holder to make room for non paying crew members at this very moment.
Thank you for pointing that out.
No it is not in the contract. This is the contract.
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx#sec21
Rule 21 Refusal of Transport
UA shall have the right to refuse to transport or shall have the right to remove from the aircraft at any point, any Passenger for the following reasons:
Breach of Contract of Carriage – Failure by Passenger to comply with the Rules of the Contract of Carriage.
Government Request, Regulations or Security Directives – Whenever such action is necessary to comply with any government regulation, Customs and Border Protection, government or airport security directive of any sort, or any governmental request for emergency transportation in connection with the national defense.
Force Majeure and Other Unforeseeable Conditions – Whenever such action is necessary or advisable by reason of weather or other conditions beyond UA’s control including, but not limited to, acts of God, force majeure, strikes, civil commotions, embargoes, wars, hostilities, terrorist activities, or disturbances, whether actual, threatened, or reported.
Search of Passenger or Property – Whenever a Passenger refuses to submit to electronic surveillance or to permit search of his/her person or property.
Proof of Identity – Whenever a Passenger refuses on request to produce identification satisfactory to UA or who presents a Ticket to board and whose identification does not match the name on the Ticket. UA shall have the right, but shall not be obligated, to require identification of persons purchasing tickets and/or presenting a ticket(s) for the purpose of boarding the aircraft.
Failure to Pay – Whenever a Passenger has not paid the appropriate fare for a Ticket, Baggage, or applicable service charges for services required for travel, has not paid an outstanding debt or Court judgment, or has not produced satisfactory proof to UA that the Passenger is an authorized non-revenue Passenger or has engaged in a prohibited practice as specified in Rule 6.
Across International Boundaries – Whenever a Passenger is traveling across any international boundary if:
The government required travel documents of such Passenger appear not to be in order according to UA’s reasonable belief; or
Such Passenger’s embarkation from, transit through, or entry into any country from, through, or to which such Passenger desires transportation would be unlawful or denied for any reason.
Safety – Whenever refusal or removal of a Passenger may be necessary for the safety of such Passenger or other Passengers or members of the crew including, but not limited to:
Passengers whose conduct is disorderly, offensive, abusive, or violent;
Passengers who fail to comply with or interfere with the duties of the members of the flight crew, federal regulations, or security directives;
Passengers who assault any employee of UA, including the gate agents and flight crew, or any UA Passenger;
Passengers who, through and as a result of their conduct, cause a disturbance such that the captain or member of the cockpit crew must leave the cockpit in order to attend to the disturbance;
Passengers who are barefoot or not properly clothed;
Passengers who appear to be intoxicated or under the influence of drugs to a degree that the Passenger may endanger the Passenger or another Passenger or members of the crew (other than a qualified individual whose appearance or involuntary behavior may make them appear to be intoxicated or under the influence of drugs);
Passengers wearing or possessing on or about their person concealed or unconcealed deadly or dangerous weapons; provided, however, that UA will carry law enforcement personnel who meet the qualifications and conditions established in 49 C.F.R. §1544.219;
Passengers who are unwilling or unable to follow UA’s policy on smoking or use of other smokeless materials;
Unless they comply with Rule 6 I), Passengers who are unable to sit in a single seat with the seat belt properly secured, and/or are unable to put the seat’s armrests down when seated and remain seated with the armrest down for the entirety of the flight, and/or passengers who significantly encroach upon the adjoining passenger’s seat;
Passengers who are manacled or in the custody of law enforcement personnel;
Passengers who have resisted or may reasonably be believed to be capable of resisting custodial supervision;
Pregnant Passengers in their ninth month, unless such Passenger provides a doctor’s certificate dated no more than 72 hours prior to departure stating that the doctor has examined and found the Passenger to be physically fit for air travel to and from the destination requested on the date of the flight, and that the estimated date of delivery is after the date of the last flight;
Passengers who are incapable of completing a flight safely, without requiring extraordinary medical assistance during the flight, as well as Passengers who appear to have symptoms of or have a communicable disease or condition that could pose a direct threat to the health or safety of others on the flight, or who refuse a screening for such disease or condition. (NOTE: UA requires a medical certificate for Passengers who wish to travel under such circumstances. Visit UA’s website, united.com, for more information regarding UA’s requirements for medical certificates);
Passengers who fail to travel with the required safety assistant(s), advance notice and/or other safety requirements pursuant to Rules 14 and 15;
Passengers who do not qualify as acceptable Non-Ambulatory Passengers (see Rule 14);
Passengers who have or cause a malodorous condition (other than individuals qualifying as disabled);
Passengers whose physical or mental condition is such that, in United’s sole opinion, they are rendered or likely to be rendered incapable of comprehending or complying with safety instructions without the assistance of an escort. The escort must accompany the escorted passenger at all times; and
Unaccompanied passengers who are both blind and deaf, unless such passenger is able to communicate with representatives of UA by either physical, mechanical, electronic, or other means. Such passenger must inform UA of the method of communication to be used; and
Passengers who are unwilling to follow UA’s policy that prohibits voice calls after the aircraft doors have closed, while taxiing in preparation for takeoff, or while airborne.
Any Passenger who, by reason of engaging in the above activities in this Rule 21, causes UA any loss, damage or expense of any kind, consents and acknowledges that he or she shall reimburse UA for any such loss, damage or expense. UA has the right to refuse transport, on a permanent basis, to any passenger who, by reason of engaging in the above activities in this Rule 21, causes UA any loss, damage or expense of any kind, or who has been disorderly, offensive, abusive, or violent. In addition, the activities enumerated in H) 1) through 8) shall constitute a material breach of contract, for which UA shall be excused from performing its obligations under this contract.
UA is not liable for its refusal to transport any passenger or for its removal of any passenger in accordance with this Rule. A Passenger who is removed or refused transportation in accordance with this Rule may be eligible for a refund upon request. See Rule 27 A). As an express precondition to issuance of any refund, UA shall not be responsible for damages of any kind whatsoever. The passenger’s sole and exclusive remedy shall be Rule 27 A).
Snicker..
Possibly but they might think would be a wee bit inflammatory to do that at the moment. That’s for when the fuss dies down.
This doctor is no snowflake. He was protesting an illegal act. Protesting an illegal act does not make one a snowflake.
If anyone is acting like a snowflake, it’s every person at United who perpetrated this act. They acted just like the Soros-financed leftists did after Trump’s election, getting violent because they didn’t get their way.
And since when does a conservative have to agree with a business in every single instance? Last time I checked the Constitution, it said nothing about any business having the right to have someone slam a customer’s head against a hard object, even if that customer IS being difficult. Even a legitimate police officer doesn’t have the right to do that, without facing legal consequences.
This doctor wasn’t trying to “get away” with anything. He was within his legal right to protest an illegal act. Period.
United Airlines: We sell tickets and kick ass, and we are all out of tickets.
LOL! I’d be thrilled to be treated as well as cattle as long as I wasn’t taken to the meat packing plant. If only I could stand up in a trailer for the trip instead of having to be seated in coach....
I understand “dead-heading a crew”, but there is more than one way to get to Louisville.
Is the writer ignorant, or a liar? Because by this point, everyone should recognize that this is a false statement:
“because the company overbooked”
In any event, he’s not credible on this subject, and not worthy of being read or quoted.
Flying is high speed travel for those that have a lot of time to spare.
So paying customers get booted for non-paying employees, correct? In what other segment of society is that a winning strategy?
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