Posted on 11/28/2016 7:39:50 AM PST by w1n1
Colin Noir and Travis Haley of Haley Strategic are discussing the subject of "teaching gun fighting". But, more specifically "can you teach gun fighting, if you’ve never seen a gun fight?"
For those who aren't familiar with who Haley is, here's a quick bio taken from his site:
"Travis Haley is a veteran Force Reconnaissance Marine with 15 years of dedicated real world experience including: combat tours in Middle East, Africa and Central Asia. After leaving the military, Mr Haley served as a special operations and security contractor before partnering with Magpul as founder and CEO of their training division, Magpul Dynamics. Mr Haley also served as CEO of the parent company, Magpul Industries, before breaking off to form the endeavor that would become Haley Strategic Partners."
Colion Noir: Alright folkes, and we're back, and joining me live is Travis Haley from Arizona, and before we went to break, we started to touch on the aspects of actually teaching people how to shoot. And so I'll just ask you flat out: What do you think it takes to teach the way you do?
Travis Haley: Whooh, um, well I think– First off, as I've been saying, understanding people is the number one attribute to a –and I use the word 'teacher' or 'instructor' very carefully, and uh, kinda like Bruce Lee did, and I just recently started reading and studying him in the last year or two, and I was like 'wow, there's a lot of crossover here from his mindset'.
Where, -and I agree with what he said, it's, he finds it almost impossible to actually teach somebody something. And I know that sounds crazy, it's like, 'well why would I want to spend my hard-earned money and time to go to your classes if you can’t teach me something’
Colion: Yeah, 'you tricked me'.
Travis: Right! [Chuckling] And it's because only you can really follow through on the teaching aspect, right? It's the student and teacher combination, it's not just the teacher, coming in and saying 'Hey man, here's my resume, this is how many combat tours I got, this is how I've been shooting, how many millions of rounds, here's my program of instruction, now you better keep up!' and that's what– I see that. That has to happen in some regard in the military, and law enforcement, because you gotta see who can hang with that stress and mentality, but when I've got three days or five days or six days to work with somebody, attrition is not my mission. It's upholding a higher standard of care for everybody. And so I think that's where the understanding of people comes into play, so I always use like a GPS analogy. When that GPS tells you to turn right in 900 feet because you're trying to get from point A to B, is it actually physically attached to the steering wheel? Does it turn the car? See the rest of the video discussion here. What do you all think?
Always remember the only one rule in gun fighting.....
1. There are no rules in gun fighting.
There is one, “Have a gun.”
Move to Chicago
There is one, “Have a gun.”
I ALWAYS have a gun.
practice, practice, practice.
The only rule in a gun fight is bring a gun.
If you don’t have a gun in a gun fight, it’s not a gun fight...It’s stupidity...
Cowboy movies from the 50s. One guy with a six-shooter on horseback can wipe out a gang.
Some get lucky (Audie Murphy), but most die in the attempt at bravery. One fella, Sgt. York, actually outsmarted a group of Germans running at him by picking off the LAST guy running at him all the way up to just about the last one and overcame a group that way, but that is the exception to the rule. When one bad guy or group of guys goes on a rampage, the police/military show up with huge numbers. When the police/military are faced with similar numbers, the story doesn't end near as well. It's numbers.
Luke 14:31 "Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and take counsel whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand?
Luke 14:32 "Or else, while the other is still far away, he sends a delegation and asks terms of peace.
There are rules to a gun fight - 5 of them in fact:
1) Gun beats no gun
If you dont carry for reason X - you have no gun
If you can’t clear a jam - you have no gun
If you run out of ammo - you have no gun
2) Fast beats slow
He who gets his gun into the fight first, usually forces the other guy to take cover.
3) A hit beats a miss
A .22 that hits does a whole lot more damage than the .44 mag that misses
{subject to the above rules}
4) big holes beat little holes
Carry the biggest hole maker that you can that meets the above rules
5) Two holes beat one hole
If it is worth shooting once, shoot it again. Remember rule #1 with regards to ammo
#6: Bring friends with guns. :-)
Remember the old saying from that time...”The Hero has the strength of ten because his heart is pure.”
# 7 - Make sure your gun works!
As the mathematician would say, being able to shoot accurately is "necessary but not sufficient" to prevail in a gunfight. There are other considerations.
Perhaps the most important is Objective. Why are you in this gunfight in the first place? Defend against someone who attacked you? Defend your family? Defend your property? Defend your country/neighbors/innocent parties? The Objective determines much of the rest of the fight. For some objectives, the best outcome is to get away alive, not to kill the other guy. Killing the other guy is at best a means to achieving the Objective.
Tactics. Once you can shoot accurately, Tactics become the important consideration. Getting to cover. Outflanking the opponent. Finding a line of retreat, if necessary. Essentially, out-thinking the opponent. Proper tactics must be determined by the Objective.
Once you can shoot accurately, probably the best way to learn gunfighting is "force on force" training, using something like airsoft guns or regular guns loaded with wax bullets (wear adequate protective clothing). That forces you to think about tactics.
The point is, in a real gunfight or in training, the opponent gets a vote. The training has to respect that.
ammo is also helpful
Speed over accuracy. Putting their heads down is just as good as hitting them in most cases.
Though many wish otherwise, military spec ops experience does not translate well into civilian CCW or police use.
If you want to train for the end of the world in the compound, then military is fine.
Otherwise someone with instructor style police experience in your region of the country is usually the best source, combined with resources like Thunder Ranch or Gunsite.
A lot of cross pollinizing is the answer.
Unlike what Hollywood would have you believe about a gun fight, most fire fights last only about 30 seconds.
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