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To: Attention Surplus Disorder; Dilbert San Diego; CGASMIA68; zencycler; lodi90; sheikdetailfeather; ...
Alt-Right is a REAL THING. It's been around for years, it wasn't invented by liberals, wasn't invented by Hillary Clinton, and probably has more overlap with FReepers than a lot of other more "mainstream" conservative sub-threads. The biggest departures from what most FReepers believe is:
  1. Alt-Right believes that there are differences in races and the kind of world created in The West (Christendom) is unique to the culture of White Europeans. Other cultures don't understand the principles of ordered liberty and limited government, and will actively work to destroy them in any political system they infiltrate
  2. There is no point in believing in the Constitution, because the original meaning of the Constitution has been destroyed and can never be reinstated until you understand item #1 and work to undo the destructive influences of progressives, racialists, and all of their enablers.
  3. Alt-Right doesn't believe Israel's national interests are be the same as ours, and doesn't believe there is such a thing as Judeo-Christian values -- to the extent that such a thing exists, they're just Christian values. Period.

Here is a full rundown at Vox Day's blog. Vox is one of the most identifiable of the Alt-Rightists, and I guess would be considered an intellectual light of the movement. https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html

I can also think of two Alt-Right bestsellers on Amazon:

SJWs Always Lie: Taking Down the Thought Police

Cuckservative: How "Conservatives" Betrayed America

["Dangerous Faggot" Milo Yiannopoulos is often identified with the Alt-Right, but he is not part of the movement, just sympathetic to it.]

52 posted on 08/27/2016 9:51:11 AM PDT by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Fifth Avenue to be born?)
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To: FredZarguna
Those "departures" you cited are very significant, and explain the fact tat most FReepers had never even heard of the term.

Such gross oversimplifications as what these "departures" indicate are a perfect illustration of why I have no use for them.

Any group that thinks "there is no point in believing in the Constitution" is, quite frankly, profoundly misguided, IMHO.

Classical liberals/conservatives/libertarians have a pretty good idea of what it means to be American, to be protected equally under the law, and to judge people not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

So, presuming these "departures" you've cited are accurate, such foolish thinking belongs right where it is: on the extremist fringe.

Thus, alt-right does not share the ideals of the FR community, coincidental overlaps notwithstanding.

I'm with Donald Trump on this. We don't want the votes of supremacists, anti-Semites, or fools who dismiss the American Constitution and who don't believe in Unalienable rights for all people.

If there are "differences in races", they have no relevance to how any individual should be treated under the Law.

Vote Trump!

54 posted on 08/27/2016 10:03:05 AM PDT by sargon (Anyone AWOL in the battle against Hillary is not a patriot. It's that simple.)
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To: FredZarguna; Attention Surplus Disorder; Dilbert San Diego; lodi90; DiogenesLamp; Mr. Mojo; ...
Fred, thanks for the definitive source of the buzz-phrase by Hitlery's legion of doom: "alt-right."

I did check out your link to Vox Popoli and its bullet point break down of how "alt-right" is defined.

There is some confusion here; As claimed, *is* alt-right *really* an ALTERNATIVE strain of conservatism in the USA? Is it "in reality has devolved towards progressivism"? How so? I didn't see much in which to disagree (does that make me a bad "conservative"?)

Who elected Russel Kirk the Moses of THE "10 Conservative Principles"? Give me ten Freepers to define "conservatism" and we'll find TEN different criteria. REAL "conservatism" and freedom is very libertarian -- though with several caveats with respect to boundaries. Those boundaries can be found...within the *intent* of The Founders version of the Constitution and Bill of Right; as well as within the Ten Commandments and scripture.

I consider this invocation out of the blue by Hillary of "alt-right" and her political tacticians to be nothing but a cheap distraction and excuse for the political punditry class to avoid addressing Hillary's ever mushrooming baggage. "Alt-Right = "shiny-keys"/road-block. And shot at "divide and conquer" from within.

Look how the term now being scrutinized and time dedicated -- even here. Let's remove the logs from the road and keep on moving our armor back on the road to Berlin.

60 posted on 08/27/2016 10:50:03 AM PDT by HangUpNow
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To: FredZarguna

HA!

Imagine that as a poster at Snowflake U.?

61 posted on 08/27/2016 10:53:26 AM PDT by HangUpNow
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To: FredZarguna
1. Alt-Right believes that there are differences in races and the kind of world created in The West (Christendom) is unique to the culture of White Europeans. Other cultures don't understand the principles of ordered liberty and limited government, and will actively work to destroy them in any political system they infiltrate

I am currently pondering this concept. I would prefer to think it is not true, but i've been presented with quite a bit of evidence that it is.

There is no point in believing in the Constitution, because the original meaning of the Constitution has been destroyed and can never be reinstated until you understand item #1 and work to undo the destructive influences of progressives, racialists, and all of their enablers.

On this one, i'm pretty much there.

Alt-Right doesn't believe Israel's national interests are be the same as ours, and doesn't believe there is such a thing as Judeo-Christian values -- to the extent that such a thing exists, they're just Christian values. Period.

And on this one I totally disagree, and will start a fight over. Once cannot postulate a Christianity absent it's Jewish origins. That is utter nonsense.

Here is a full rundown at Vox Day's blog. Vox is one of the most identifiable of the Alt-Rightists, and I guess would be considered an intellectual light of the movement.

I stumbled onto "Vox Day" a few weeks ago. I have to admit there is a lot of "high voltage thinking" going on over there, though i've seen some holes in some arguments.

63 posted on 08/27/2016 12:25:53 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: FredZarguna

Alt-Right is a REAL THING


Not really. There has been high brow racialist day dreamers going back into at least the 19th century. Nothing new there. And we’re certainly not going to win any elections hitching our wagon to that nonsense.


70 posted on 08/27/2016 7:04:38 PM PDT by lodi90 (Clear choice for Conservatives now: TRUMP or lose)
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To: FredZarguna

Sounds like the back side of the circle where the left and the right merge into a blurry fog... cheese louise!


82 posted on 08/29/2016 5:42:28 AM PDT by dps.inspect (quite well)
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