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Donald Trump can’t keep his H-1B/H-2B immigration lies straight any more
RedState ^ | March 4th, 2016 | Moe Lane

Posted on 03/04/2016 8:32:02 AM PST by ConservingFreedom

Short version: at last night’s debate the topic of H-1B visas* came up.  Last night Megyn Kelly asked Donald Trump at the debate how he felt about temporary work visas now.  Trump said that he loved them to death, and was softening the position found on his website.  Somewhere out in the political wilderness, Senator Jeff Sessions (an H-1B visa restrictionist who is endorsing Trump solely because of Trump’s position on immigration, supposedly) immediately suffered a nosebleed from the psychic shock of this sudden, yet inevitable betrayal**.  The Trump campaign had to go out and send around an email saying, No, really, forget that Trump said that. Please, please, please, forget that Trump said that. Also: Trump can’t tell the difference between a H-1B and a H-2B visa.

For the longer story?  Well, let’s go to the transcripts.

KELLY: Mr. Trump, your campaign website to this day argues that more visas for highly skilled workers would, quote, “decimate American workers”. However, at the CNBC debate, you spoke enthusiastically in favor of these visas. So, which is it?

TRUMP: I’m changing. I’m changing. We need highly skilled people in this country, and if we can’t do it, we’ll get them in. But, and we do need in Silicon Valley, we absolutely have to have.

So, we do need highly skilled, and one of the biggest problems we have is people go to the best colleges. They’ll go to Harvard, they’ll go to Stanford, they’ll go to Wharton, as soon as they’re finished they’ll get shoved out. They want to stay in this country. They want to stay here desperately, they’re not able to stay here. For that purpose, we absolutely have to be able to keep the brain power in this country.

KELLY: So you abandoning the position on your website…

TRUMP: … I’m changing it, and I’m softening the position because we have to have talented people in this country.

If you’re taking a strong stance on ending or at least cutting back the H-1B program – like, say, Mark Krikorian of National Review, or Michelle Malkin – this position is appalling.  I want to be really careful right now, because I am of course a pro-immigration squish; but if I understand Mark Krikorian’s position here he feels that Trump is simply talking tough about immigration to please his own base, and is using the H-1B issue to signal to hypothetical*** general election donors that Trump’s not actually really into all this immigration hawk stuff.  Which last part I’ll agree with, for reasons that I’ll get into later.

At any rate, Trump’s long-suffering official He Didn’t Mean It Squad had to play cleanup again:

Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration…

– And we’ll stop there because when there are two flat-out lies in the first two sentences of your press release, there’s no point to keep going, is there?  Look at the transcript again. Megyn Kelly didn’t ask about immigration. She asked about work visas. As for the high-skilled part – look, H-1B visas are for people with college degrees. One of the major criticisms of the H-1B program is that it supposedly takes away STEM jobs from Americans with equivalent skills.

Which means that the aforementioned press release shows that neither Donald Trump nor his staff knows the difference between a H-1B visa and a H-2B visa.  You see, H-2B visas are for low-skill temporary work.  And Donald Trump knows this, certainly, because he still uses them all the time for his hotels.  Including, interestingly, in Florida. And why does Trump use H-2B visas? Well, let’s go to the transcript yet again, because Marco Rubio was able to explain the entire thing succinctly:

RUBIO: … And, here’s why he does it this way, let me explain why he (INAUDIBLE) H2-B…

TRUMP: … Wrong…

RUBIO: … Because when you bring them in this way, when you bring someone in on one of these visas they can’t go work for anybody else. They either work for you or they have to go back home. You basically have them captive, so you don’t have to worry about competing for higher wages with another hotel down the street. And, that’s why you bring workers from abroad.

 

Note that Marco Rubio knows exactly what a H-2B visa is. And why Donald Trump uses them (because H-1Bs and H-2Bs give companies a lot of leverage over the foreigners that they’ve hired). And this is part and parcel of the reason why some immigration hawks are a little steamed right now at Trump.  Nobody likes being flat-out lied to, particularly when it’s being done in this contemptuous a fashion.

And if Trump is lying about this, it’s for certain that he’s lying about building a wall. Which you hopefully already knew, anyway. If you didn’t, well… he’s not building a wall.

Moe Lane

*For those who are not familiar with them – lucky, lucky you – H-1B visas are work visas issued to non-immigrants in specific occupations.  These visas are tied to a specific job and employer, and their existence and use are a… definite part of our current robust and vigorous debate over immigration policy.

**Not really.  I’m sure that he felt suddenly sick and confused, though.

***A bit more hypothetical now than before the debate, might I add. And the Trump campaign agrees with me, given how quickly they leaped to smother the fire with their own bodies.


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To: RaceBannon

Trained seals. Is about the size of it.


61 posted on 03/04/2016 5:02:14 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo ( MSM: Rig primary coverage for weakest candidate: McCain/Romney/Trump. Then destroy, post-convention)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Trump has Jeff Sessions in charge of his national security team. That’s good enough.


62 posted on 03/04/2016 5:03:52 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Impy
RE:”You mean the magic wall might be zero feet tall instead of 48 feet? Say it ain’t so!”

Maybe it will be a virtual wall

Or an invisible one.

63 posted on 03/04/2016 5:21:26 PM PST by sickoflibs (Trumpetir :"He could go on a shooting spree this MF downtown and I would still worship him"')
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To: Political Junkie Too
You are not going to find many Americans from elsewhere willing to uproot themselves for five months at Thanksgiving/Christmas to be a minimum wage

And right there is where the cheap labor that The Donald loves comes in.

You keep saying cheap, but we're already talking about minimum wage work, so it can't get much cheaper than that.

The point is that one could get less cheap - if one was an American patriot and not a Cheap Labor leech like The Donald.

64 posted on 03/04/2016 6:24:58 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (Trump fans:'he's no more conservative than Mitt'-www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3389209/posts)
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To: Political Junkie Too; zeestephen
This is about workers vs. no workers, not $9 workers vs. $6 workers.

It should be about paying as much more than $6 or $9 as necessary to get American workers - if one was an American patriot and not a Cheap Labor leech like The Donald.

65 posted on 03/04/2016 6:28:28 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (Trump fans:'he's no more conservative than Mitt'-www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3389209/posts)
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To: ConservingFreedom
I see. You're an absolutist.

-PJ

66 posted on 03/04/2016 8:43:44 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: ConservingFreedom; BillyBoy; Impy; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; NFHale; ...
Two more flips back in the opposite direction for Trump, on top of the one above

Trump today walked back his yesterdays claims that the military will follow his orders to kill the terrorists families

Katrina Pierson, a Trump spokeswoman, said the candidate had been misunderstood.
He realized they took him literally, that's why he put out the statement,” she told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer on “The Situation Room.” “What he's saying is that he wants to go after them with the full force of everything we have.”

Donald Trump reverses position on torture, killing terrorists' families (By Ryan Browne and Nicole Gaouette, CNN, March 4, 2016 )

Also I saw a clip from him last night after the debate saying that Megyn Kelly performed excellent and was very professional, after she grilled him last night.

Bimbo yesterday, professional today.

After Super Tuesday the great Trump series of reversals seems to have started.

67 posted on 03/04/2016 8:48:33 PM PST by sickoflibs (Trumpetir :"He could go on a shooting spree this MF downtown and I would still worship him"')
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To: Political Junkie Too
It should be about paying as much more than $6 or $9 as necessary to get American workers - if one was an American patriot and not a Cheap Labor leech like The Donald.

I see. You're an absolutist.

I'm an American.

68 posted on 03/05/2016 9:37:23 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (Trump fans:'he's no more conservative than Mitt'-www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3389209/posts)
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To: ConservingFreedom; All
More filth and lies from Deception State. These are the same liars that said Trump was for Common Core. All they do is lie, deceive and trick.

Here is the statement from Trump's web site.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-position-on-visas

Position-on-visas

- March 04, 2016 -

Donald J. Trump Position on Visas

"Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."

69 posted on 03/05/2016 9:40:52 AM PST by Enlightened1
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To: unsycophant
I’m not sure I understand why people want to lock Trump in (or Cruz, Rubio) to policies if the candidates are admitting they have re-analyzed and come up with a different answer.

You are correct if the candidate is changing positions because he has analyzed the data and/or listened to experts and changed his mind because of the strength of an argument. But why in the world do you believe that Mr. Trump is doing anything other than parroting whatever he has to say to get the nomination?

The whole point of this article is to show that his opinions are completely detached from any principle, they are just whatever will play well at the moment, subject to change when his personal whim or the political winds shift.

Or when the next deal needs to be made, and he needs to lead his next partner into their own fantasy to get his way.

"I play to people's fantasies," he writes. "People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular." Donald J. Trump The Art of the Deal

70 posted on 03/05/2016 10:14:03 AM PST by Stegall Tx (If Republicans choose a liberal candidate, they have chosen to lose my vote.)
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