POLITICO!
Commonly known as Politboro!
Posted on 11/08/2015 9:06:52 AM PST by Sean_Anthony
“Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive.â€
You’d think by now that watching the proficiency in the ‘Fine Art of Lying’ of their Democrat heroes like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton that the rubes over at Politico would know better than to be caught in their lies.
But they did get caught. Proof of the lies of Politico can be readily seen in how they changed their headline before scaling back on their ‘Ben Carson’s an admitted liar’ story.
I just read on FB that in 1992 Carson returned a VHS tape without rewinding it. MSDNC to air 2 hour special about it.
Carson does seem to get confused VERY EASILY by thinking a conversation with a person is the same as being “offered a full scholarship”.
(I’m trying to be nice here)
POLITICO!
Commonly known as Politboro!
All students attend WP on "full scholarship". So Carson's "full scholarship" words are irrelevant.
What is relevant to the comparison is what Carson said in the book, that he was "offered" a full scholarship, vs what Carson's people are saying now, that he was "offered help" by a sponsor.
You think that difference is a big deal?
The likelihood of him receiving said “scholarship” was probably pretty good. Clearly he had the aptitude. He ended up being a brain surgeon! I don’t understand all of the conern. Much ado about nothing.
“...What is relevant to the comparison is what Carson said in the book, that he was “offered” a full scholarship, vs what Carson’s people are saying now, that he was “offered help” by a sponsor. You think that difference is a big deal?...”
What *I* think is a big deal is how many Freepers swallowed the Politico hit/smear-job so readily — not only swallowed it, but ran *hard* with it.
To me, it speaks more to the utter lack of faith they have in their preferred candidate than their faux-outrage over anything Carson may or may not have done decades ago.
I’m not a fan of Carson as President - nice guy, gifted doc - but I really don’t give a hoot what a liberal rag like Politico has to say about *any* candidate whether good, bad or indifferent. I automatically presume it’s leftist spin.
If there’s anything to be learned from this, I would hope the political right will start exercising a bot more discernment on MSM reports about any candidate. They can only be relied upon and trusted to spin positive about dems and spin negative about gop.
We should all be *solidly* unified and aligned against the leftist MSM propaganda machine in all regards, whether it involves our pet candidate or a candidate we hate. If we can’t even agree on that, I don’t know what we could ever agree on.
In the good old days, when we had a very small media stream, and we didn't
have all these other people fogging things up, things were a lot better.
I wrote basically the same thing during the last two days and got dumped on for it several times. My love for freerepublic is still hanging in the balance. The criticisms of Carson are fair from his policy positions and some of the goofy things he’s said (his Christian faith NOT being one of those) - and I’m not a fan - but I could not believe the number of people that jumped on the bandwagon, drank multiple glasses of the Kool Aid and gave the media a pass just because they haven’t selected Carson as their love child.
“The likelihood of him receiving said “scholarship†was probably pretty good. Clearly he had the aptitude. He ended up being a brain surgeon! I don’t understand all of the conern. Much ado about nothing.”
People have been FIRED FROM JOBS for saying when they have a degree, but instead they ‘almost’ had the degree, they were a class or two short of completion.
Same here, HE LIED. As you say, he is a BRAIN SURGEON, he KNOWS the difference between being offered a scholarship and being told that if he applied he would have a decent chance of being accepted. The REAL QUESTION is why. The only thing that I can think of is that he felt a bit short on the military creds. He’s a goddam BRAIN SURGEON...no one is going to take issue with him not going to Vietnam.
“What *I* think is a big deal is how many Freepers swallowed the Politico hit/smear-job so readily — not only swallowed it, but ran *hard* with it.”
It was a WELL-SOURCED story. Carson said, MANY TIMES, that he was offered a scholarship at West Point, but West Point keeps good records and could not find anything dealing with him. Are we supposed to IGNORE stuff like this? If that’s the case, why even have this website?
“To me, it speaks more to the utter lack of faith they have in their preferred candidate than their faux-outrage over anything Carson may or may not have done decades ago.”
Actually October, 2015 was not that many “decades ago”. Carson continued to claim that he was offered a scholarship to West Point, at least when interviewed by Charlie Rose last month. You’d think by now he would have figured out that never happened.
“I’m not a fan of Carson as President - nice guy, gifted doc - but I really don’t give a hoot what a liberal rag like Politico has to say about *any* candidate whether good, bad or indifferent. I automatically presume it’s leftist spin.”
Actually what’s in Politico’s interest, right now, is keeping Carson on life support - as otherwise Trump WILL BE the nominee. Cruz doesn’t seem capable of catching him. Carla and Bush have collapsed, and people are running out of room to forgive Rubio for the crap in his past.
“If there’s anything to be learned from this, I would hope the political right will start exercising a bit more discernment on MSM reports about any candidate. They can only be relied upon and trusted to spin positive about dems and spin negative about gop.”
Unfortunately, for Republicans, some of the MSM reports are actually VALID. I think dismissing a report on its face because it may make a Republican look bad is a MUCH WORSE thing to do. Again, if the report is well researched, well sourced, and not denied by the candidate - I’m going to believe it. Not even Reagan could hold a candle to God - our candidates are human.
“We should all be *solidly* unified and aligned against the leftist MSM propaganda machine in all regards, whether it involves our pet candidate or a candidate we hate. If we can’t even agree on that, I don’t know what we could ever agree on.”
I agree that we should give our candidates the benefit of the doubt considering how much the media HATES us, but we also should NOT give our people a free pass. For example, if the New York Times reports that 100 witnesses saw Ted Cruz murder someone in cold blood, and the Times is able to name those people, and none of those people dispute the accuracy of the report - then I’m going to be hard-pressed to believe otherwise, regardless of what I think of the NY Times.
“...For example, if the New York Times reports that 100 witnesses saw Ted Cruz murder someone in cold blood...”
Seriously? This guy Carson has now committed a sin as grave as *murder*? Is this the straw you are now grasping at?
The USMA advertised at the time (and may still today) in ads & marketing literature that attendance was described as a full scholarship. There have been posts of USMA ads and articles describing attendance with the exact phrase, “full scholarship” included in the text (google it - politico now wishes they had). There should be no confusion anymore as to how the USMA markets and presents academy attendance to prospective students who may or may not have a formal offer. The USMA also does not keep track of offers not made or applications not received, so they should not be expected to prove this ridiculous issue one way or the other.
I have no interest in defending Carson - he can handle himself however he sees fit. But here’s my point: I don’t give a flip about what Carson may or may not have done 50 years ago -or- last month because it is none of my concern. I know who I am planning to vote for in the primary and it isn’t Carson or Trump. Why should I waste any time and energy on Carson, Trump or any other candidate than the one I plan to vote for? Why should you?
Is your preferred candidate so weak that you need to piggy-back on an obvious liberal rag’s smear-job to try and advance your candidate by denigrating another? Is your preferred candidate so unremarkable that you feel the need to expend your time & energy to keep perpetuating what has now been shown to be a clear and unrepentant fabrication by some liberal rag — a liberal rag that has previously been caught publishing fabrications? You would *still* place stock in Politico in hopes you can somehow salvage the poorly considered leap you made onto their bandwagon?
You’re beating a dead horse. I care more that Politico has been shown yet again to be a publisher of lies. That Carson and others have now shown he did NOT lie as Politico claimed he did is good for him I guess, but I’m less concerned with his campaigns health.
If someone publishes that Trump, Carson or Rubio killed some babies in front of a hundred witnesses, I’ll consider the article as Enquirer grade UFO-ology. I surely won’t place much faith in said article until it is separately sourced. The Politico hit-job spawned a bunch of articles about the Politico article — no-one reported a seperate (and I am hesitant to use this word) “journalistic” investigation. So you have a gazillion articles about the Politico’s single article with no corroborating report. That should have been your clue not to get too fired up about it. Murdered babies or not.
I don’t believe this. Did he join the service? Was he an officer? Did he say he was? He only said that he was offered a scholarship which he “turned down.”
Walk into any recruiting center and that is exactly what they will offer a prospective — a free college degree. Some people call it a scholarship. Semantics. Happens all of the time. It is a recruiting tool. OCS if it an officer.
BTW, some of the best engineers and techs I have known got their start in the service.
Anyway, IMO Carson was definitely officer material. His extremely calm demeanor and brain surgeons focus and smarts would have been ideal in the cockpit of a fighter or attack helicopter.
Maybe hindsight is 20/20 or maybe people around him saw something in him. A talent. The talent to become a brain surgeon or an officer in the service.
BTW, I was channel surfing the other night and I actually saw him at work. He was performing brain surgery on a little girl. He had opened her skull... well anyway, it was a bit gruesome for me so I flipped out. The guy is legit.
I guess our difference is that I am willing to believe bad stuff about Republicans...regardless of who reports them. I certainly don’t take anyone’s report at face value, but when a Republican admits he wasn’t being honest, I’m certainly willing to factor that in.
And sorry, I do consider it important when people lie about their past. I can get fired or jailed for doing that, I don’t see why I should give others a free pass.
“Walk into any recruiting center and that is exactly what they will offer a prospective — a free college degree. Some people call it a scholarship. Semantics. Happens all of the time. It is a recruiting tool. OCS if it an officer.”
Well, where I come from if someone claims that they were “offered a full scholarship to West Point”, IT MEANS ONE THING...and it DOES NOT mean that he walked into a recruiting office and had a 5 minute chat. I do think Carson is intelligent enough to know that. Scott Walker...maybe not so, Rick Perry, DEFINITELY not so. But Carson - sorry, he knew just what his words implied.
...but I won’t argue that he was a damn good brain surgeon.
Politico = Zero credibility
I have no doubt that Ben Carson would have made a excellent officer and if he operated a weapon like an F-16, A10, or an Apache etc. like he operates a scalpel, he might have been one of the best.
The skills of a surgeon, who is in the operating room for 10 hours straight, is not unlike fighting on a battle field avoiding SAMs, flak, ground fire, and other aircraft. Heck, some of the flights can last days (with refueling) with the actual bomb drop, AAA/SAMs in the middle and the return flight hours and hours. The whole time, the pilots and navigator have to be on their toes. The two professions have very similar attributes and both require a great deal of focus under a great deal of stress.
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