Posted on 10/06/2015 6:55:17 PM PDT by SatinDoll
The Gog of Turkey, president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, said his country could not endure Russian violations any longer of its airspace in its campaign in Syria.
Gog y Magog
Russian involvement in the 4½-year-old Syrian civil war seems to be escalating, with NATO’s secretary general confirming Tuesday a second incursion by Russian planes into Turkish airspace and saying Russian ground troops were in Syria as well. The first violation of Turkey’s airspace is reported to have happened Saturday. The second was Sunday, officials said.
Now even CNN says:
The tension between Russia and Turkey, however, appears to be escalating. The two countries are at odds over the civil war in Syria, with Russia backing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
Such escalation came from Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan who now threatens Russia: “an attack on Turkey means an attack on Nato“. He then added:
“If Russia loses a friend like Turkey, with whom it has been co-operating on many issues, it will lose a lot, and it should know that”.
THEY GOT THE WRONG GOG For how many years we have been saying it, that Russia and Turkey will eventually have a major fallout while others said (even used the Bible) arguing that they will become great allies?
So much for both, the secular, and the so-called prophecy analyst, who take the biblical text out of context or think that economy is the only building block for alliances.
No stupid. Religion and correct understanding of history is the main drive in world affairs much more than it is the economy.
One of the most major errors the West did is that it added Muslim Turkey as member of NATO in 1952, and alliance rules say that an attack on any of the 28-member states should be treated as an attack on all.
So now the entire relationship between Turkey and Russia is at stake while so-called Christian nations will stand on the side of Turkey, an Antichrist nation, instead of Orthodox Russia.
And now you wonder how so many will err and support Antichrist, even including so-called Bible believing Christians? While I will deal with that issue in more detail later, the question is: who is truly encroaching on who? Is Russia encroaching on Turkey’s sphere?
We have maintained that Russia’s relationship as well as China’s relationship with Turkey will eventually erode: “unpleasant news from the east (China) and the north (Russia) will alarm him (Antichrist)” (Daniel 11:44). And today the evidence cannot be any clearer.
HERE IS WHAT THEY WILL NEVER TEACH YOU IN SUNDAY SCHOOL The situation in Syria is only the tip of the ice-berg. The world is up-in-arms when Russian jets enter into Turkish airspace while no one sounds a peep when the Muslim Tatar in Ukraine’s Crimea complain about Orthodox Russia’s expansion into the Ukraine, a landmass that was always part of Orthodox Russia since 1783.
To an Antichrist loving world, it is okay for the Muslim Gog of Turkey to expand into Syria by exporting terrorists all the way from China’s Uyghur while at the same time send floods of Muslim immigrants to Europe. The world ignores that such a “friendship” between Russia and Turkey are hindered by the Islamist uprisings influenced by Turkey against a Russian ally: Syria. An Islamist takeover of Syria will threaten Russia’s interests in the Tartus naval base, (its only Mediterranean proxy naval opening). That including Turkey’s establishments of an Islamic alliance which will contradict Russia’s and China’s interests and is why Turkey will be threatened from the East (China) and the North (Russia) in the future battle of all battles.
Few understand the schism and conflict. From China we have the Muslim Urumqi uprising in Xinjiang’s China with Muslim Uyghur-Turks who sparks major rift in Turkey’s China relations, leading to a boycott of Chinese goods and China not wanting to lose the Xinjiang region to Turkey. The Xinjiang issue continues to rankle, Turkey adopting its Islamist heritage, that with a rift with Russia will cause it to eventually crumble. Now you know what this “unpleasant news from the east” (China) is all about.
Muslim Uighur from the Xinjiang region in China with the mark of Islam in their faces
Crimea is crucial for defeating Antichrist Turkey. The Almighty by Russia taking the Ukraine is perhaps removing the only buffer between Turkey and Russia and is setting up the launching pad for Russian airstrikes and submarines cross the Black Sea into Turkey to defeat it.
It was Turkey who betrayed Russia by going to bed with Ukraine. Turkey’s betrayal of Russia includes an elaborate buildup of a military alliance with Ukraine. Ukraine opposes a planned Russian-Turkish natural gas pipeline, the Turkish Stream, which replaces a long-planned South Stream project that would have carried Russian gas to Europe across the Black Sea. Russia will have Turkey in check. Russia is Turkey’s largest energy supplier and it looks increasingly difficult for Turkey to maintain its policy to balance relations with hostile neighbors Ukraine and Russia at the same time. Russia in the Ukraine will eventually neutralize Turkey’s sphere in what was once Russian territory.
The chips are beginning to move on the prophetic pad. In the mountainous Caucasus, Russia has already been strengthening its presence in Georgia’s breakaway territories. Orthodox Russia remains Christian Armenia’s only real patron, a developing bargain with Muslim Azerbaijan over Nagorno-Karabakh has the potential to expand Russia’s presence even more and thus reinforce a Russian buffer to the south.
The road to Armageddon is a revival of almost all the ancient conflicts between the children of God and the children of the devil calumniating in the Middle East. This would also include historic Ottoman-Russo wars.
NATO forgets the oil Turkey steals which already has $800 million worth, that ISIS obtained from regions it occupied this year in the Rumeilan oil fields in northern Syria — and most recently Mosul. They have laid pipes from villages near the Turkish border at Hatay. Similar pipes exist also at the Turkish border regions of Kilis, Urfa and Gaziantep transfering the oil to Turkey and parlay it into cash taking the oil from the refineries at zero cost. Turkey has a foundation in NATO and unlike Iran it can tremendously influence the West while it uses Bashar Al-Assad as its scapegoat devil.
You will never learn in Sunday school how Turkey, the Red Dragon of Revelation 12, with its two horns (the crescent moon) will “gush forth the flood” of immigration of Muslims unto Christendom as we see happening today, or how the Woman in Revelation 12 will stomp the crescent under her feet. All this is arising as we see in front of our very eyes. As Syria weakens, Turkey is eyeballing not only Syria, but Egypt, Libya and Israel (Daniel 11:43).
THE ETERNAL DANGERS OF MISUNDERSTANDING PROPHECY At times I am told that error on prophecy does not matter eternally.
Really? Lets toss this idea around.
Truth is that prophecy at times is set in a vague way with allegory. It is written in the same way Jesus set up His parables. Jesus was asked as to why He speaks in parables. His answer was fascinating:
To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:
“You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive. For this people’s heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.” (Matt. 13:11-16)
The fool interprets Daniel and Revelation without all the literal references. The Bible is a blessing and is a curse. It is a blessing when one hears and reads what it says and it is a curse when we read into it what it does not say.
Nowhere does the Bible curse Rome, Europe or Russia and in all prophecy it curses “Lydia” (Turkey) “Libya” “Arabia” “Egypt” “Syria” “Greece” (Yavan/Ionia in Turkey) and the list goes on and on. These are all Muslim today, not Orthodox or Catholic. The false Christians will curse Russia and Rome while the true Christian will realize that God chastised Russia and healed it and will also chastise Rome as He will in the future. Many use the Bible, not to express God’s mind, but to express old hatreds for Rome and Russia. If you think Russia is Gog and Magog click here and get healed
There will be a showdown between Russia and Turkey. Few focus closely on Daniel 11:44, “But then unpleasant news from the east and the north will alarm him”
“news from the north” (Russia) “will trouble the King of the North” (Turkey).
Only Turkey fits. This one little verse alone brings to ruin tons of prophecy books. Had Europe been “anti-Christ,” there are no nations north of Europe, there is nothing but a vast ocean. Antichrist is “north” not “far-north” just “north enough” with someone mightier than him who is north of him: Russia. europe-map
North of Europe is the Atlantic Sea
This is why the Antichrist is King of the North and he also has an enemy from the north (Russia). All this, while so-called ‘prophecy’ experts are re-drawing the maps to appear that Europe and Rome are Antichrist and harlot. How so, when Europe is in the West of Israel? No where in Scripture do we have a threat from the West and all threats in the Bible are from the north, south and east.
Beware of the blind leading the blind.
Ignoring prophecy is crucial. Calvinists who hated Rome joined the Muslim Ottoman Turk against the Catholic League at Lepanto in 1571. What was their end? They were cursed and defeated drowning with the Muslim. It was at Lepanto in 1571, where English and German Calvinists aided the Muslim Ottomans against what they believed was the Roman Harlot.
Has anything changed? No.
Similarly today, Protestant U.S. (England’s extension) is aiding Turkey’s cause against Russia in Syria while Protestant Germany is accepting whatever the Red Dragon, Muslim Turkey, dishes to its lands with a massive flood (Revelation 12) drawing their curse.
From the Calvinists to now, not much has changed. History will repeat itself in order that God sifts the wheat from the tares, the blind from who sees, the deaf from who hears and the lazy from the hard-working. Ever wonder why the easy-believeism of today hates “works”? You think the owner of the vineyard will tolerate a lazy servant? Ever wonder why they ridicule historic Christian wars with Islam? You think Christ is playing games?
It was at Lepanto when Christian Europe, under the Catholic League finally defeated the Islamic Ottoman Empire in one of the most decisive victories besides the Battle of Vienna in Sept. 11-13, 1683. Protestant U.S. was quite naive, lacked in understanding history to see that connect on why 9-11 happened.
Many are the blind whom in their zeal and hatred for the Russian Orthodox and the Roman Catholic, will praise God while the Muslim praises Allah as they see Europe and Russia suffer in the future. So many cheer for Turkey against Russia. And when Turkey invades Rome they will cry out “Alas, Alas, the Harlot and Gog. There hour is neigh”.
But even this will cause many to heal as Protestant England and Germany in the end praised the Catholic league for defeating the Muslim Ottomans. Christ said “lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.” Christ will heal many. Lest we forget, God in the end chose a Protestant, General Allenby to defeat the Ottomans. But General Allenby was no anti-Catholic and described himself as a “crusader”.
All make mistakes. While the U.S. feared communist Russia more than Islam, they aided the Afghan Mujahideen against Russia. This was a major mistake similar to what the U.S. did during the Arab Spring. In Afghanistan, U.S. policy gave birth to the Taliban. But that was okay for many, so long Russia’s sphere of influence is depleted. The wise, knew that God will heal Russia.
It was the same blindness, hatred towards Russia’s sphere of influence, that caused the evil outcome in the Arab Spring where even conservative Americans loved the idea of ousting all Russia’s allies, the Arab nationalists, Saddam, and before him, Qhaddafi of Libya and Mubarak in Egypt and now Assad in Syria.
The naive thinks that the U.S. should learn from all the mess when truth is, the mess is all intentional.
The chaos caused by the U.S. has now become the adhesive, or the pitch if you will to unite Muslims. This is what Turkey has been waiting for to rebuild its dream using sympathy for the suffering Muslim to argue for Muslims to immigrate by the millions to the Protestant parts of Europe who welcomed Muslims as they did at Lepanto.
Christ does not honor the stupid. General Allenby was no stupid man.
General Allenby marches on foot into Jerusalem after defeating the Muslim Ottomans refusing to ride car, horse or even donkey in honor of Christ.
Understanding history and biblical geography is key. Ever wonder why most of the so-called prophecy students are lousy on history and geography?
Many of the foolish use outlandish maps drawn up by amateur theologians. The wise follow maps that are drawn by serious historians. No wise will visit a car mechanic to pull out a decayed tooth. Nevertheless, many should somehow replace their decayed hearts no matter how they do it.
People here depress themselves thinking that Christianity is over. Truth is, Christianity is alive and well. Christ’s Church is alive and well. All one has to do is to find that narrow gate. Christ is calling but you must know how to hear His voice...
Tuck Furkey! They shouldn’t be in NATO.
Really ..??
Gog and Magog are spiritual beings .. not flesh and blood people.
So please quote it correctly.
No problem :)
My Grandfather taught this to me when I was about 10. He was a very famous Professor of Theology.
“This man Erdogan has led the conspiracy that caused a huge influx of fighting-age men to infiltrate Europe as ‘refugees’.”
Look where they’re coming from, as predicted in Rev. 20:9:
“and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. “
I’m not sure if Erdogan is THE Anti-Christ, but he’s certainly a vile man.
Seems like there is a race to see who can be the AntiChrist.
As you seem not to be bothered reading the link I posted, I’ll copy and paste the revelant pieces:
“Eze 38:1-3 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, 3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal:”
“Magog is mentioned in the genealogies of Genesis 10 as well as 1Chronicles 1. Magog is mentioned alongside of his brothers Meshech, Tubal, and Gomer, plus a few more. It is interesting to note that most bible prophecy teachers place Tubal, Gomer, Togarmah, and Meshech in today’s Turkey.”
“Gen 10:1-3 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. 2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. 3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
Magog, Meshech, Tubal, and Gomer are also sons of Japheth. Japheth and his sons all settled in today’s Turkey. You could call Japheth the King of Turkey. His sons are all Princes. Magog was the chief or most prominent Prince amongst his brothers. Princes were set over provinces.”
“So Magog was the son of Japheth. Japheth was the king of what we know as Turkey today. Magog and his brothers ruled over different provinces in the land we call Turkey today. Magog was the chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal. In other words, Magog was the most prominent Prince amongst his brothers. Remember that Meshech and Tubal settled in today’s Turkey. In prophetic terms Magog is the primary governor of Turkey. I would call him the Prime Minister. From 2003 to 2014 Turkey’s Prime Minister was Recep Tayyip Erdogan. He is the prime candidate to fulfill the end time role of Magog the primary governor of Turkey.
In Ezekiel chapter 38 Turkey leads an invasion into Israel along with Libya, Iran, and Sudan. All of these nations are fighting in Syria today. In Ezekiel chapter 39 the chief prince of Turkey leads the battle of Armageddon. The primary governor of Turkey is the Antichrist.”
There, is that better? It consistently says in the Bible they are PEOPLE and a COUNTRY....NOT “spiritual beings”
This pretty much sums up why Gog and Magog are not Russia and never have been:
“It is High Time to recognize that Magog is not Russia! That view came about by transcribing “chief” (or the Hebrew “rosh”) to mean Russia (Eze 38:1-3). Transposing Hebrew words into English phonetic equivalents is not proper bible prophecy interpretation technique. That technique is not used elsewhere to interpret bible prophecy. Rosh means first or primary.”
Notice - Transposing Hebrew words into English phonetic equivalents is not proper bible prophecy interpretation technique. That technique is not used elsewhere to interpret bible prophecy.
So why make this ONE exception, when it’s not used to interpret the Bible anywhere else?
The whole Russia theory mainly was pushed by anti-Communists many, many decades ago, because of their anti-Communist agenda and general hatred of Russia....and the Evangenicals lapped it up.
We certainly have questionable allies in much of the ME.
I have suspicions it could be Obama, I know he’s a disaster, but it’s disturbing to me that so many people in the world still think he’s actually a good fellow.
If that’s not him being The Great Deceiver, I don’t know what is.
Then again, Obama’s disastrous foreign policy could be paving the way for the Anti-Christ, and with that, it’ll remain a mystery until he appears.
How is it that Russia and the Nation of Israel have a very unique and mutually beneficial relationship? There are many Russian nationals that live and work in Israel. Also many Russian immigrants call Israel home. You would be surprised how many Russians there are that call themselves Israelis.
I agree with you, but my post had no relation to yours.
A lot of Bible scholars do use Russia .. but some also include China and all the Arabic nations.
When GOD puts the “hook in the jaw” to draw Gog and Magog DOWN, it doesn’t give any real clue as to who the exact nations are that will be tricked into the Valley of Megiddo (in Israel), in the site of Mt. Carmel; where they will be destroyed.
Could be. I’ve been expecting somebody far more intelligent, but arrogance sometimes may be more limiting than it appears.
Of course there are two battles involving Gog and Magog, Ezekiel 38-39 and Revelation 20:7-8. The former is very different from the latter.
The latter will involve all nations, including Gog and his nation of Magog:
Revelation 20:7–9
The Defeat of Satan
“7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them”
I’m sorry, did I miss something .. like your being appointed to rule over me ..????????
Get real.
There are many interpretations .. if you don’t like what I write .. too bad.
Except, the King of the North isn’t Turkey.
I was responding to your rather bad mannered post to me:
“Really ..??
Gog and Magog are spiritual beings .. not flesh and blood people.
So please quote it correctly.”
I therefore copied and pasted an ENTIRE section from the link I provided, that you obviously couldn’t be bothered to read.
So I actually proved therefore, that I HAD quoted it correctly.
I am real and I’m a sensible person, so I’m not going to bother responding to your other ill-phrased comments to me in your latest post.
It’s astonishing what Obama is being permitted to get away with, with hardly any uproar....coated in Teflon doesn’t even come close.
I’ve personally never heard the China thing myself.
There was nothing “bad-mannered” about what I said. It was just that it didn’t agree with what you said .. and you’re pouting over it.
Sorry, don’t have time to listen to people whine about scripture that they cannot understand.
Goodbye.
Meshech is Moscow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meshech
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